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ARE WE READY TO GET GOING? 5:00. IT'S 5:00 SOMEWHERE.
[A. CALL TO ORDER]
WE'RE GOOD TO GO.I'LL SAY. I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
ALL RIGHT, IT'S TIME TO PLEDGE.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG STATES OF.
I WONDER HOW MANY COUNCILS AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS HAVE THESE LITTLE LAMINATED CHEAT SHEETS AND IN FRONT OF THEM MY GUESS IS EVERYBODY DOES.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS OR ANYBODY ON THE PHONE? NO, WE DON'T. WE DO NOT.
OKAY. NO ONE IS WISHING TO SPEAK.
SORRY. I'M GOING THROUGH MY MY SCRIPT HERE.
RON, DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE FROM THE STAFF? TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
THERE WE GO. NO UPDATE TONIGHT, ACTUALLY, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS UNDER THIS ITEM? I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
WE TABLED AN ITEM AT OUR LAST MEETING.
SO THERE'S NO OFFICIAL REQUEST TONIGHT.
WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED.
I'M LEAVING. THIS ASIDE, THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE ONLY ITEM TONIGHT FOR APPROVAL.
[E.1. TMP-062 TABLED ITEM: Conduct a public hearing and consider a recommendation for a zoning change on Lot 1R1-1, Block 2, Westlake/Southlake Park Addition Number One, from the PD1-1 zoning district to the PD10 zoning district in order to construct a single-family residential development. The subject property contains approximately 32.88 acres and is located between Sam School Road and State Highway 114 just north of the boundary with the city of Southlake. ]
D, OKAY.SO WE HAD TABLED THE DECISION OR THE TABLE OF THE VOTE ON SOLANA HILLS.
A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS TAKING PLACE BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING AND NOW.
DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, OR DO YOU WANT TO WANT TO? OKAY. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND HEAR THAT PRESENTATION AND SEE THE UPDATES.
OKAY. SO PROCEDURAL, CAN I GET A MOTION TO PULL THIS OFF THE TABLE SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT? SO MOVED. CAN I GET A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
NO OPPOSED? WE CAN NOW OFFICIALLY TALK ABOUT.
VERY GOOD. LET ME REMEMBER TO TURN THE VOLUME DOWN ON MY PHONE HERE.
UM. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS CURTIS YANG WITH THE SAGE GROUP HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS TONIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY DETAILED ENGINEERING QUESTIONS AS WELL.
AND WE HAVE SPENT THE MONTH SINCE IN EARNEST TRYING TO RESPOND TO THAT, THOSE COMMENTS AND ADDRESS THEM AS BEST WE CAN. AND SINCE COMMISSIONER WILKINSON HAD SOME VERY PARTICULAR COMMENTS AND THINGS THAT HE WANTED TO WORK THROUGH, HE WAS NICE ENOUGH TO HAVE A FEW PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH ME ABOUT IT, AND WE ACTUALLY EVEN SET UP A MEETING WHERE WE GOT TOGETHER WITH HIM AND WENT THROUGH THE DETAILS OF SOME OF THE CHANGES WE MADE THAT WE THOUGHT ADDRESSED MANY OF HIS COMMENTS.
AND I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE TONIGHT AND KIND OF ILLUSTRATE THE DIFFERENCES IN THE PLAN BETWEEN WHERE WE WERE A MONTH AGO AND WHERE WE ARE NOW. UM, THIS THIS FIRST ONE HERE IS JUST KIND OF A COVER PAGE, BUT IT SHOWS THE NEW PLAN KIND OF AS IT WOULD BE ENVISIONED TO BE ON TOP OF THE HILL.
SEE THAT THERE'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT QUANTITY OF THE EXISTING TREES.
UM. HERE'S THE TWO PLANS SIDE BY SIDE.
THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE PLAN WHERE WE WERE A MONTH AGO.
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AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE PLAN THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY.I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT SEVERAL CHANGES.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BUFFERS ALONG 114 AND SAM SCHOOL ROAD HAVE BEEN GREATLY INCREASED.
WE'RE AT LEAST 125FT NOW ALONG HIGHWAY 114 AND AREAS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY WITHIN THE LOT BUT NOT BUILDABLE LOTS THAT BACK UP THE ROAD HAVE NOW BEEN PLACED IN AN OPEN SPACE LOT TO BE CONTAINED BY.
WHICH ADDRESSED. SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS ON THAT.
WHETHER THEY WOULD BE USABLE, WHERE THE FENCE WOULD HAVE TO BE, ET CETERA.
MADE THOSE LOTS NOW ONLY EXTEND.
FLOODPLAIN BEFORE IT WAS IT WAS IT WENT EVEN INTO THE FLOODWAY.
WE DIDN'T JUST MOVE IT BACK TO THE FLOODWAY.
AND SO THOSE AREAS WILL BE NOW IN AN OPEN SPACE LOT AGAIN MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.
PERPETUITY. SO, THINK THAT THAT ADDRESSED MANY OF THOSE ISSUES.
THE OTHER THING IS, IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY IN THESE TWO HERE, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT DENSITY A LITTLE BIT AND MENTIONED AT THE LAST TIME THAT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO HERE IS RESPOND TO THE PROPERTY AND THE LOCATION.
SO, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF NOISE HERE.
SO, WE THINK THAT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING TOWNHOMES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE DETACHED.
AND WE HAVE THAT GRATED FLAT GAS WELL PAD SIDE THAT IS ALREADY FLAT.
IT'S A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO TO PUT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER LOTS IN THERE.
AND THAT COUPLED WITH THE IDEA FOR KIND OF A PROJECT AMENITY, OPEN SPACE AREA, YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT THERE THAT GREEN TRIANGULAR AREA, IT'S ALMOST AN ACRE IN THE.
LEFT SIDE, IT WOULD HAVE WHAT WE'RE CALLING PATIO HOMES THAT WOULD RUN OUT ON THAT.
I THINK THAT TRIANGULAR GREEN SPACE AREA, CALL IT THE PROJECT GREEN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD GREEN, IF YOU WILL, WOULD BE USABLE AND AVAILABLE FOR THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD TO COME HAVE AN EVENT OR DO THINGS.
BUT IT'S ALSO A VISUAL AND USABLE AMENITY FOR THOSE SMALLER LOT TOWNHOME AND PATIO HOME USERS TO COME RIGHT OUT AND USE THAT. SO, AND BEING THAT IT'S FLAT ALREADY AND BEING THAT IT'S NOT ALL TREES THERE WE CAN LANDSCAPE THAT AS WE WANT IT AND MAKE IT REALLY A HIGH-QUALITY SPACE.
WE'VE IN EFFECT, TAKEN THEM DOWN ON THE HILL.
ALL THESE ALL THESE SMALLER LOTS ARE NOW PRETTY MUCH WHERE THE FLAT GAS WELL PADS.
BOOST. YOU KNOW, THE LOTS ARE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE FREEWAY NOW.
WE HAD KIND OF AN INTERIM PLAN WHERE THERE WERE TWO LOTS JUST AT THE NORTH END OF THAT TRIANGLE.
THE BROWN LOTS THERE, THAT KIND OF.
ONE THOUGHT WAS, WELL, MAYBE THE THIRD LOT WASN'T STILL TOO CLOSE TO A FREEWAY.
SO, WE'VE ELIMINATED THE THIRD LOT THERE.
SO NOW THERE ARE ONLY TWO LOTS ON THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE LOOP CIRCLE HAS GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT SMALLER AS WELL TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THIS.
BUT THE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE YELLOW LOTS EVEN WITH WITHOUT THEIR EXCESS AREAS STILL AVERAGED 17 OVER 17,000 SQUARE FOOT A LOT.
THAT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE THE SIZE.
BOGAN SOMEONE AS KIND OF MAYBE SOME SOMETHING TO ASPIRE TO.
SO I THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR LOTS ARE MUCH LARGER THAN THOSE LOTS, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND OUR ONLY LOTS THAT ARE SMALLER ARE THOSE THAT BASICALLY ARE RIGHT ON THE GAS PAD.
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SO. THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE.HOW THE SIDE IS SHAPED AND RATED RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO SAVE REALLY EVEN MORE TREES THAN THE ONES AROUND THE PERIMETER.
HERE'S KIND OF THE SAME PLAN WITH THIS IS HOW IT MIGHT LOOK AFTER THE HOMES ARE BUILT.
AND IN THE CENTER OF THE LOOP IN THE CENTER THERE, SOME OF THOSE TREES WILL.
AREA THERE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN IF I HAVE A CURSOR I CAN USE.
OKAY. WELL, ANYWAY, YOU CAN SEE THAT GREEN AREA KIND OF IN THE VERY CENTER THERE.
WE THINK SOME TREES WILL BE SAVED IN THEIR COURSE, FROM THE FREEWAY SIDE, WE HAVE THAT 11.
I THINK THAT'LL DO A LOT TO BLOCK.
SO. AND OF COURSE, THERE'S NOW ONLY THERE'S 55 LOTS, WHICH IS DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM 59.
REMEMBER WE STARTED IN THE 90S, SO WE'VE COME CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE.
THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, WE WERE AT 59, CORRECT.
AND THIS IS NOW AT 55? 55? YEAH.
CORRECT. NOW, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE TALKED WITH.
THERE'S ONE OPENING KIND OF LAND.
FROM THE FREEWAY OF A VIEW TOWARD THAT SITE THERE.
AND THE UPPER PHOTOGRAPH HERE SHOWS HOW IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
IT'S NOT A WIDE OPENING, BUT THERE IS AN AREA THERE DEVOID OF TREES.
THAT IS THE AREA THAT WE WOULD.
THAT IS THAT THIS AREA RIGHT IN HERE IS THE AREA THAT WE WOULD PLANT.
AND THIS IS KIND OF A GRAPHIC WHERE WE'VE ADDED SOME TREES TO THAT AREA IN THERE.
AND ON THE PLAN, THIS IS THE AREA DOWN HERE WHERE WE CAN SUPPLEMENT ALL TREES.
SO, YOU CAN SEE IN MOST PLACES, THERE'S ALREADY A VERY FAIRLY THICK.
OPEN. SOME OF THIS, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THIS YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, JUST KIND OF THE LOT TYPES OF THE LOTS, A AND B, WHICH ARE THE LARGER LOTS ON THE LEFT THERE.
ALL THE ARCHITECTURE IS GOING TO BE WORLD CLASS.
GOOD ARCHITECT. SOME OF THOSE LARGER A AND B LOTS ARE GOING TO BE SOLD TO CUSTOM BUILDERS.
REQUIREMENTS. OUR FEELING IS THE ARCHITECTURE IS GOING TO BE BETTER THAN WHAT YOU SEE A LOT OF.
BECAUSE THAT'S JUST WHAT THAT WE FEEL THAT THAT IS WHAT BRINGS VALUE TO THE REST OF THE.
JUST. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
I USUALLY DON'T NEED A MICROPHONE, BUT I GUESS FOR POSTERITY.
ON THE RIGHT SHOWS, KIND OF THE PATIO HOMES.
THE PATIO HOMES AND THE TOWNHOMES WILL PROBABLY BE OF A FAIRLY CONSISTENT ARCHITECTURAL FLAVOR, ALTHOUGH EACH ONE WILL BE DIFFERENT ON THERE. SO, WE CAN REALLY DEFINE THE ARCHITECTURE THAT LOOKS DOWN ONTO THAT GREEN OPEN SPACE AREA AND THAT WILL ALSO BE AS STRICT
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ARCHITECTURAL AS THE REST OF IT.BUT ON THE RIGHT, THERE IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE PATIO HOMES.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT ON THIS ONE IS SOME EXAMPLES OF.
DIFFERENT DESIGNS, BUT IN THE SAME THEME OF THE TOWNHOMES, HOW THAT MIGHT WORK.
AND ON THE RIGHT, AGAIN, KIND OF A BLOW UP OF THE [INAUDIBLE] AREA IN THE MIDDLE HERE BETWEEN THE TOWNHOMES ON THE RIGHT AND THE PATIO HOMES OVER HERE.
AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF A PERSPECTIVE SKETCH OF HOW THAT MIGHT LOOK.
AGAIN, THAT'S A VERY FLAT AREA, SO IT GIVES US A GOOD CANVAS TO WORK ON.
AND THESE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, THE AMENITY TYPE THINGS THAT WE YOU'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE.
AND. THE PLAN ON THE LEFT WAS WHAT WE WERE SHOWING LAST TIME AT COMMISSIONER WILKINSON'S SUGGESTION THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER TO JUST BLEND THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION INTO THE LOTS AND HAVE A SLOPE BACK OR A SLOPE DOWN WHATEVER TO BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE BUILT ANYWAY.
WHY BUILD A RETAINING WALL AT THIS POINT? AND SO, WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT IS IF WE WENT THAT DIRECTION, THE BLUE LINE, WHOOPS, USING THE WRONG. WINNER.
THE BLUE LINE HERE SHOWS YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE LINES KIND OF HERE.
IF WE WERE TO GRADE BACK FROM THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY, THIS IS ABOUT HOW FAR WE'VE CALCULATED IT WOULD GO INTO THOSE LOTS.
SO, IT'S REALLY NOT AS BAD AS WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE.
AND NOW WE STILL WANT TO HAVE RETAINING WALLS ON THE EDGE HERE.
WHERE WERE THE GAS PAD ENDS? AND WE'RE BACKING UP TO THE FREEWAY.
BUT THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, ACCESSING A LOT OR ANYTHING OVER THERE.
THAT'S THAT OVERFLOW PARKING AREA.
YES, THAT'S THE OVERFLOW PARKING AREA.
AND THAT WOULD BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BAN OF TREES THAT GOES ALONG THE FREEWAY BUFFER THERE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE IN A QUALITY FASHION.
BUT WE THINK IT'S THE SMARTER WAY TO GO.
AND SO, WE'RE WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S WHAT WE'RE ALSO KIND OF CALLING A HYBRID THAT SOME AREAS LIKE THIS LOT HERE, WHICH IS VERY SHALLOW, WE MAY WANT TO ACTUALLY DO THE RETAINING WALL.
THIS THIS IS A HOUSE IN CALIFORNIA THAT THAT IS ON A VERY STEEP AND NOT VERY DEEP SITE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A RETAINING WALL HERE AND STEPS UP TO THE HOUSE.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIT RIGHT HERE.
BUT IN GENERAL, WE LIKE THE IDEA OF GRADING IT OUT MUCH BETTER.
SO WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT IF YOU GUYS AGREE.
AS FAR AS THE WATER AND SEWER.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION LAST TIME ABOUT WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED AND.
PERRY MENTIONED THAT THAT DIDN'T WANT HIM UNDERNEATH THE PAVING.
WE THINK NOW THAT IN THE 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WITH THE 30-FOOT STREET, THEY CAN AT THE LEAST BE AT THE VERY EDGE OF THE PAVING, THE WATER AND THE SANITARY SEWER.
AND THE ADVANTAGE OF DOING THAT GRADING BACK THING IS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE RETAINING WALLS ON THE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE, THEN THEY CAN CLEARLY GO INTO THE PARKWAY NOW AND WELL OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THE PAVING.
SO WE THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BOTH THE WATER AND THE SEWER.
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SO, IF THAT CAN GO DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREETS AS IT NORMALLY IS, THAT'S FINE TOO.THAT'S THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE IN THE PLAN.
I THINK WE RESPONDED TO ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS, INCLUDING WHERE THE LOTS EXTENDED INTO THE UNUSABLE AREA, THE ROADWAY BUFFERS, RETAINING WALLS AND THE GRADING WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE PLACED.
AND I THINK COMPARATIVELY, EXCEPT FOR THE HIGHER DENSITY LOTS THAT ARE ON THE GAS PAD, THIS IS LOWER DENSITY THAN CERTAINLY MUCH LOWER DENSITY THAN TROTTA AND EVEN LOWER MUCH LARGER LOT SIZES THAN THE KNOLLS.
SO, I THINK THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THOSE ISSUES.
BUT IN ANY CASE, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
AND WE HAVE OUR TEAM HERE AS WELL.
QUESTIONS. ARE YOUR CONCERNS ADDRESSED? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS? THIS REVISED PLAN HAS THE.
STAFF HAD TIME TO REVIEW IT, TO LOOK AT IT.
ARE THERE ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU HAD THAT RESULTED FROM THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE? NO, I WOULD SAY THAT THE PLAN THAT'S SHOWN TONIGHT, THE REVISED PLAN ADDRESSES NOT ONLY THE BULK OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMISSION AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT ALSO SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS WERE ALSO SOME STAFF COMMENTS THAT HAD COME UP DURING JUST THE ACTUAL STAFF REVIEW OF THIS WHEN IT WAS SUBMITTED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
SO, I WOULD SAY THEY'VE ADDRESSED IN BOTH INSTANCES, THEY'VE ADDRESSED THOSE.
THIS AND CLARIFYING THE GREEN SPACE YOU SAID IS UNDER AN ACRE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? THE CENTRAL GATHERING AREA THERE.
SO. I'M NOT HEARING OBJECTIONS HERE FROM THIS PANEL, SO I'M GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.
DOTTIE, DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? OKAY. NO, WE DON'T. THEN I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M GOING TO ASK; DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND. I CAN SAY.
IT'S UNANIMOUS APPROVAL BY THIS BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND ALL THE EFFORTS YOU MADE TO CHANGE THIS.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
[F.1. 23-243 Consider approving the Planning & Zoning Commission Minutes from August 15, 2023; and take appropriate action]
DID EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND. OKAY.OKAY. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
AND WITH NO OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, I WILL CLOSE THIS
MEETING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.