Apr 01, 2024 Town Council

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE MUCH BETTER BUYING POWER, MUCH BETTER ABILITY, AND THAT THIS WOULD BE-

>> EFFICIENCY OF A CONTRACT.

>> YEAH. JUST VAQUERO AND QUAIL IS PAYING MORE PER MONTH THAN WE ARE FOR 94 ACRES.

AS MUCH AS I DON'T LIKE GOVERNMENT AND BIG SPENDING, THE ECONOMIC IMPACT VERSUS QUALITY OF LIFE, THIS IS A SMALL THING COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE PAYING.

IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR TOWN'S BUYING POWER, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB ON THAT AND FOLDING IN A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR QUALITY OF LIFE, IT'S GOING TO BE THAT MUCH AS A PERCENTAGE.

>> TIM, I AGREE WITH ALL THAT. MAYOR I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY AS WELL.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DON'T STEP BACK AND DO A COMPLETE ANALYSIS ON EVERYTHING WE HAVE ON EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD SO WE CAN MAKE AS MORE HOLISTIC DECISION THAN WE ARE TODAY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>> WE'VE UNDERTAKEN THAT, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT QUITE COMPLETE WITH THAT PROCESS YET.

>> AND I WOULD JUST ASK THE COUNCIL, LET'S GET THAT BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT A COUPLE OF WEEKS MATTERS.

>> LET'S GET THE DATE.

>> TO ME IT'S A PRINCIPAL ISSUE.

PUBLIC OWNED LAND SHOULD BE PAID FOR BY THE PUBLIC, I'M NOT A FAN OF UNFUNDED MANDATES, AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE TRUE BENEFIT TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS UNIQUELY FOR THAT MEDIAN.

TO ME, IT'S A PRINCIPLE OF FAIRNESS AND I THINK GOVERNMENT HAS A CERTAIN ROLE AND THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A CERTAIN ROLE.

SOME OF THESE OTHER AGREEMENTS ARE LESS IMPACTFUL IN TERMS OF COMPLETE ANALYSIS BECAUSE SOME OF THESE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ARE COMMERCIAL.

ALAN HAS AGREEMENTS, BUT IT ATTRACTS 15,000 PEOPLE A DAY.

FIDELITY HAS AGREEMENTS, BUT IT'S 11,000 PEOPLE ASSIGNED TO THAT PLACE, BUT THEIR IMPACT IS GREATER THAN THEIR ACTUAL CAMPUS ITSELF.

SAME THING WITH SCHWAB WE GOT 6,000 SIGN THERE, ABOUT 2 OR 3,000 SHOWING UP A DAY.

THOSE OTHER HOLISTIC THINGS ARE MORE COMMERCIAL.

THE ACTUAL THINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE EXCLUSIVELY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE JUST PURELY RESIDENTIAL AND THE ROADWAYS ARE BASICALLY THE MAIN ENTRANCES INTO TOWN.

WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD OPINE THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THEM RELIEF AND THEN TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE DOING IS TAKING CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY.

WE DID THE SAME THING WITH STAGECOACH.

FOR YEARS THOSE ROADS WERE CRACKED.

WE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, WHY DIDN'T WE FIX THIS?

>> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL, MAYOR, I JUST KNOW THAT THIS IS A SHIFT IN POLICY FROM WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S A CHANGE IN HOW WE'RE DOING BUSINESS AS A TOWN AND WE JUST NEED TO STAY WITH THAT.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEM G2, JUST [INAUDIBLE], BUT IT'S JUST THE WHOLE OF G2?

>> YEP.

>> THAT'S IT?

>> THAT'S IT.

[G.1. 24-052 Discuss and consider an amendment to an Economic Development agreement with Granada Residential Community for Park Maintenance and other agreements as necessary; and take appropriate action. (Sean Kilbride, Mayor)]

>> THE ONLY OTHER ECONOMIC AGREEMENT IS G1.

>> YEAH.

>> CAN YOU JUST TALK TO THAT ONE BRIEFLY AND THEN HAVE THE CONTEXT OF EVERYTHING BEING PROPOSED.

>> I'LL READ G1 OUT LOUD. IT'S DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERED AN AMENDMENT TO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH GRANADA RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY FOR PARK MAINTENANCE AND OTHER AGREEMENTS AS NECESSARY TO TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.

THERE'S PROBABLY 23 ACRES ADJACENT TO THE GRANADA COMMUNITY, SOME OF IT'S GREEN SPACE, SOME OF ITS BUFFER, SOME OF ITS TRUE PARK.

PEOPLE PARK THEIR CARS IN THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE CAR PARKING LOT, THERE'S COVERED STRUCTURES, THERE'S A BIKE RACKS.

CERTAIN PORTIONS THAT ARE TREATED AS A PARK AND THERE'S, PEOPLE CALL IT GRANADA, THE POOL, THE VERY BOTTOM CORNER BY DAVIS AND DOVE, WHICH INCLUDE, AND THEN ON THE TOP CORNER BY SLANA, THERE'S A STRUCTURE THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO BUILD AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THEY FELT THAT BURDEN WAS TOO ONEROUS ON THE INDIVIDUAL HOMES THERE, APPROXIMATELY 85, 90 HOMES IN GRANADA AND THEY'RE CARRYING $110,000 YEAR FOR THAT MAINTENANCE.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET OUT OF PAYING FOR THINGS BUT BE EQUITABLE.

WHY IS THE BURDEN SO HIGH FOR OUR INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLD? WHY ISN'T IT MORE FAIR? BECAUSE THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE GRANADA RESIDENTS AREN'T THE MAIN USERS OF THAT PARK.

THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SOME RELIEF OF WHAT IS EQUITABLE TO THEM.

CAN THEY CONTINUE TO PAY 40% AND THE TOWN PICKS UP THE REMAINING SIX AND THE LAND BE DEEDED TO THE TOWN, AND THEY CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THEIR 30,

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40% WHICH I WOULD OPINE IS EQUITABLE.

>> I DEFINITELY LIKE THE IDEA OF PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN [INAUDIBLE] LANDSCAPING OUTSIDE OF THESE, I KNOW JUST HAVING LIVED IN GLENWICK, WE HAVE A PUBLIC ACCESS PARK.

PEOPLE COME AND PARK EVERY DAY.

THERE IS [INAUDIBLE], YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE.

THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THE TOWN HAS BEEN MUCH BETTER AT HELPING GLENWICK COMMUNITY SERVE THOSE SPACES COMMUNITY.

I THINK THESE PARTNERSHIPS ARE EQUITABLE.

WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THIS WHOLE HOLISTIC CHANGE IN DIRECTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'D NECESSARILY ADVOCATE TO GO FIND EVERY PUBLIC ACCESS SPACE AND NEGOTIATE A DEAL.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROAD AND THEN [INAUDIBLE] ACCESS WATER FEATURES AND PARKING AREA.

THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BIG CORRECTION.

>> NO, IT'S NOT. THE RELATIVE COST TO THE TOWN IS NOT EGREGIOUS, BUT THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE PRINCIPLES BEHIND IT ARE VERY IMPACTFUL.

>> WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST MAYOR?

>> WHAT IS IT? MY ESTIMATE IS ABOUT 110,000 FOR THE MEDIAN IN THE PARK.

>> AND WE KNOW THAT?

>> NOT FOR CERTAIN, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

>> A ROUGHER GUESS.

>> I THINK THAT'S FAIR AND EQUAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE THERE AND IT'S THEIR PUBLIC FEATURES OF THE TOWN OF WESTLAKE.

THE TOWN OF WESTLAKE SIGNS ON THESE FEATURES.

>> WELL, IF 94 OR 96 ACRES IS 200 AND WENT 202-260 WHATEVER IT WAS, LET'S JUST SAY 94 AT 260 COLLECTIVELY ACREAGE.

>> YEAH. NOW A TOTAL OF 29 ACRES.

WE JUST SPENT 83,000 ON STAGECOACH.

BECAUSE WE SAW THE ROADS WERE BROKE AND SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO THAT.

IT'S ABOUT 100,000 IN MY VIEW.

>> ONE THIRD OF 260 IS, HALF OF IT WOULD BE 130.

>> MR. [INAUDIBLE] BEFORE YOU BREAK YOUR HEAD DOING A LITTLE BIT OF MATH, BECAUSE I'M DOING THE SAME, IT'S ABOUT $85,000.

>> A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FEATURES THAT ARE AT THE PARKS.

A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH SOME CREEKS THAT ARE IN THE PARK SO THE DIFFERENT AREAS HAS SOME DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE DEPENDING.

>> WESTLAKE IS BEAUTIFUL AND YOU COMMUTE IN HERE AND ALL OF US LIVE HERE, I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT BEAUTIFUL.

>> ABSOLUTELY, YES, SIR.

>> WESTLAKE TRULY HAS ONE PARK RIGHT NOW IT'S GLENWICK.

WHEN I FIRST CAME INTO THE OFFICE, I WENT THROUGH GLENWICK PARK SEVERAL TIMES.

THE TOWN OF WESTLAKE WE HAD MORE WORK TO DO.

I'LL JUST SAY THAT THERE'S A DAM THAT WAS DAMAGED, PUMPS THAT WERE NOT WORKING.

WE TOOK OVER THAT PARK 20 YEARS AGO AND I DON'T THINK WE DID OUR PIECE.

I'D LIKE TO KEEP DOING OUR PIECE.

IF WE HAVE SOMETHING, IT SHOULD BE GOOD AND SHOULD BE EXCELLENT.

FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS BACK THERE WHEN THE DAM DOESN'T WORK, THERE'S A FLOOD PLAIN BACK THERE, FLOODS OUT, PARK GETS COMPLETELY DESTROYED, AND THEN THE HOMES ALONG THE WAY HAVE TREES THAT FALL OVER, HIT FENCES SO IT BECOMES A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE.

IT'S NOT JUST PAYING BILLS, WE HAVE ONLY 642 HOMES IN TOWN AND WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF EVERY ONE OF THEM AND THAT SHOULD BE THE GOAL OF THIS.

THAT'S WHERE MY GOAL, THIS IS NOT JUST A FINANCIAL, IS WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THESE HOMES ADJACENT TO THE HIGHWAY.

THEY'RE AFFECTED BY NOISE, SOUND FROM THE TRAFFIC AND THEN THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS WHERE THE TREES HAVE DIED.

THE TOWN NEVER REPLACED THE TREES AND THEY HAVE A RED LIGHT SAVER COMING IN THROUGH THEIR BACK WINDOW.

NOW, I LIKE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITIES HAVE MORE INPUT TO THAT STUFF.

THE ABILITY TO PUT MORE SCREENING FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

PERSONALLY, AS I DRIVE DOWN DOVE AND I LOOK OVER INTO GRANADA NEIGHBORHOOD, I DO NOT LIKE THE FACT THAT THESE HOMES ARE EXPOSED TO INTERSECTION.

I LIKE TO FIND A WAY OF PUTTING BETTER TREES AND THINGS TO HELP THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE MORE PRIVACY.

SO IT'S NOT JUST A MONEY PIECE, WE HAVE A GREAT TOWN AND THERE'S 500 HOMES AT THAT INTERSECTION, BUT WHY ARE WE NOT TAKING CARE OF IT? THAT'S PRETTY MUCH 80% OF THE TOWN, WE SHOULD BE.

>> UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY. LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WESTLAKE BEING BEAUTIFUL IS ABSOLUTE IMPORTANCE, TAKING CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS, ABSOLUTE IMPORTANCE IN THE NECESSITY OF THE TOWN WHEN THE ONLY REASONS THE TOWN EXISTS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND AS A WHOLE COUNCIL THAT WHERE WE DRAW THE LINE ON THESE THINGS, SOME VERY CLEAR LANGUAGE ON WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OVER, WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE OVER.

IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ME DIRECTION TO COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE TO CHANGE WITHIN THESE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO SO AND BRING IT BACK ON THE 22ND, WHICH IS OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING,

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AND WE COULD GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE TOGETHER.

>> WELL, I WOULD OPINE THAT WE ASK THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF GRANADA TO DEED THE PART TO US.

THEY MAINTAIN 40% OF THE COST TOWN PICKS UP FOR REMAINING 60%.

THEN ON THE MEDIAN, THE TOWN OF WESTLAKE PAYS FOR THE DAVIS MEDIAN AND WE READJUST THE NUMBERS SO THAT THE TOWN PAY FOR THE MEDIAN SELF.

IF [INAUDIBLE] IS PAYING 1,500 MONTH, WHEREVER IT IS, $900 OR $700 WHEREVER IT DROPS OFF.

I BELIEVE THAT TO BE AN EQUITABLE SOLUTION.

CAN WE ASK THE GRANADA NEIGHBORHOOD TO DEED THE PART TO US AND THEN WE'LL ASSUME THE 60%? ANY THOUGHTS THAT? WE DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS FOR THE VOTE TO GIVE DIRECTION TO THE TOWN MANAGER TO REQUEST OF, BEN, HELP ME OUT HERE.

>> WE NEED TO DRAFT AN AMENDMENT OR A NEW [INAUDIBLE].

>> CAN WE GET TO VOTE ON IT OR WE JUST GIVE THE DIRECTION?

>> I THINK YOU NEED TO VOTE ON IT.

>> CAN I GET IT FIRST TO DIRECT TOWN MANAGER TO REDRAFT ECONOMIC AGREEMENTS AND AGREEMENTS TO REQUEST THAT THE GRANADA PARK BE TAKEN OVER BY THE TOWN OF WESTLAKE, AND 60% OF THE COST IS ASSUMED BY US AND THE VAQUERO.

CAN YOU DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME OR TO DO SEPARATE?

>> DO THEM SEPARATELY.

>> I'LL DO THEM SEPARATE THEN.

CAN I GET FIRST? AND A SECOND?

>> I SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES. ALL OPPOSED? NONE. SAME THING FOR THE G2, FOR THE VAQUERO.

CAN I GET A FIRST FOR TOWN OF WESTLAKE TO ASSUME THE MEDIAN MAINTENANCE FROM THE QUAIL HOLLOW AND VAQUERO? ANY FIRST?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

>> CAN I GET A SECOND?

>> ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED? NO OPPOSE, MOTION CARRIES.

WHILE WE'RE AT IT HERE, WE'LL QUICKLY GO THROUGH THIS G3 24067,

[G.3. 24-067 Discuss and consider the addition of a street light at Davis Boulevard adjacent to Quail Hollow and Vaquero entrance and take appropriate action (Sean Kilbride, Mayor)]

DISCUSSING CONSIDERING ADDITION OF A STREET LIGHT AT THE DAVIS BOULEVARD ADJACENT TO QUAIL HOLLOW AND VAQUERO ENTRANCE AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.

THIS IS BROUGHT UP.

ADAM, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS FOR A LITTLE BIT?

>> SURE. NOT SURE WHAT WAS THE CATALYST BEHIND THE TIMING OF IT, BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN VAQUERO AND QUAIL HOLLOW, TURNING LEFT ON DAVIS IS GETTING TO BE A DIFFICULT THING TO DO CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY.

AS AN ITEM OF DISCUSSION AT OUR RECENT BOARD MEETING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT COULD BE DONE FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE TO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTS TO MAKE THE LEFT TURN ON DAVIS.

THERE IS A LIGHT AT DOVE, BUT AGAIN AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING OR FIVE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN LEFT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ALLOWED FROM A STATE PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF SPACING BETWEEN STOP LIGHTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

WE WERE JUST BRINGING IT TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION THAT TRAFFIC PATTERNS ON DAVIS SEEM TO HAVE PICKED UP IN THE LAST YEAR, AND WE'RE WONDERING IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE.

>> ADAM, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IN MY CORPORATE WORLD WITH LIGHTS LOT, I WOULD ASSUME WE WOULD DO A STUDY TO SEE THE TRAFFIC GOING FIRST.

>> YES, SIR. TEXAS ACTUALLY REQUIRES A SIGNALIZATION WARRANT STUDY BE COMPLETED PRIOR TOO.

>> THEN ADAM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I WOULD ASK THE TOWN HALL AS A VAQUERO RESIDENT.

I'M NOT SURE I WANT A LIGHT OUT THERE, ALL THE HARDWARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITH FLASHING LIGHTS.

THAT'S MY OPINION, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.

BUT IF WE GO DOWN THIS PATH WITH A STUDY, I WOULD ASK WHAT THE RESIDENTS THINK, QUAIL HOLLOW AND VAQUERO, IF THEY WANT A LIGHT.

>> KIM DID VOTE ONTO THAT.

ADAM, YOU AND I BOTH IN VAQUERO, BUT YOU'RE SAYING LEFT, BUT QUAIL IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GOING NORTH ON DAVIS? I'M HAVING A HARD TIME TAKING LEFT OR GOING SOUTH.

>> BOTH LEFT, JUST GETTING ACROSS THE STREET ACROSS.

>> THE DAILY FROGGER.

>> A STUDY MOST LIKELY DOES NEED TO BE DONE.

>> THAT'S ALL I WOULD ASK.

WE DO THAT AND THEN LOOK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT COULD GO SOUTH REAL QUICK WITH SOME RESIDENTS PUT IN LIGHT AT THAT.

I JUST WANT TO GET FROM OUR RESIDENTS ON BOTH SIDES.

>> OR WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO TO IMPROVE THAT SCENARIO? BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PROBLEM TO SOMEONE MAKES A LEFT AND SOMEONE GETS KILLED MAKING THE WRONG LEFT TURN.

THOSE PEOPLE COMING DOWN DAVIS GO WHIPPING ABOUT 55.

>> CERTAINLY.

>> WELL WITH VAQUERO, THERE'S THE BACK ENTRANCE ON DOVE.

IF YOU HAD A YOUNG CHILD THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO ATTEMPT THAT,

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THERE'S ANOTHER WAY OUT OF THERE.

WITH QUAIL, [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS.

>> ALSO REALLY HARD TO TURN LEFT.

ON DOVE, IT'S A BLIND TURN.

BUT IN THAT CASE, YOU MAY BE GOING RIGHT.

>> THE LANDSCAPING THERE MAKES THAT HARDER TOO.

>> IT DOES.

>> IT GOES BACK TO LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE TOO.

CAN WE ADJUST THINGS TO IMPROVE VISIBILITY? MAYBE THE LIGHT ISN'T THE ANSWER.

CAN WE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY? CAN WE LOOK AT IT, SEE IF WE FIND A SOLUTION.

>> THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

>> OR IS THERE A DIFFERENCE ON THE TIMING ON THE DOVE'S LIGHT WHICH CREATES A BIGGER TRAFFIC?

>> CAN WE REQUEST A TIMING OF LIGHTS? THAT'S A BETTER ONE.

>> I HAVE HEARD THAT. [LAUGHTER]

>> I GUESS, DO WE HAVE TO DO A VOTE ON THIS ONE TOO?

>> WELL, IF YOU WANT A SIGNALIZATION STUDY.

YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE ME DIRECTION TO LOOK AT THE LIGHT TIMINGS AND TO POSSIBLY COME UP WITH SOME OTHER SCENARIOS [OVERLAPPING] OUTSIDE OF A WARRANT STUDY.

>> WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A TRAFFIC, A CHOKE POINT RIGHT THERE.

>> BUT AT THE SAME TIME, CROSSING THOSE 2, 3 LANES AND TRYING TO GET OVER SOMETIMES IS BRUTAL.

>> PEOPLE TEND TO SHOOT TO THE MID.

>> THAT'S AN AREA REFUGE, THAT'S WHAT IT'S THERE FOR.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO TURN LEFT INTO VAQUERO OFF OF DAVIS AS PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT OF DAVIS, TRYING TO SHOOT OFF OF VAQUERO CLUB DRIVE, TRYING TO SHOOT TO THE MIDDLE AS QUAIL HOLLOW IS TRYING TO SHOOT.

IT'S KIND OF A BUMPER CAR.

>> I SEE CHIEF FORTUNE BACK THERE.

I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT OUR TICKET REVENUE.

[LAUGHTER]

>> I WILL SAY THIS. LIVING IN VAQUERO FOR THREE-AND-A-HALF YEARS, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN AN ACCIDENT RIGHT THERE.

>> I AGREE.

>> YOU CAN CONCEIVABLY GET EIGHT OR 10 CARS IN THAT MIDDLE.

SOMETIMES YOU SEE A COUPLE BAILING OUT THERE.

I THINK WE NEED TO EQUALLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT A LIGHT AND WHETHER THE RESIDENTS REALLY WANT A LIGHT.

THERE'S A LOT TO THIS ISSUE.

>> OF COURSE.

>> JUST SO EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME, PAGE TRAFFIC WARRANT STUDY IS ABOUT 12, 13,000.

I CONTACTED OUR ENGINEER.

[NOISE]

>> CAN I HAVE A FIRST FOR THIS?

>> I'LL MAKE A FIRST.

>> ALL OPPOSE? NO OPPOSE. MOTION CARRIES.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS TO COMPLETE A TRAFFIC WARRANT STUDY AT THAT INTERSECTION.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> GO BEYOND THE LIGHTS.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. ALL OPTIONS.

>> ALL OPTIONS.

>> WADE, WHEN WE DO THOSE STUDIES, THEY DO SPEED STUDIES AS WELL, THE AVERAGE SPEED GOING THROUGH THE CARS.

>> IT'S TRAFFIC COUNTS, WAIT TIMES, AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSING IS THE MAJORITY OF THE STUDY.

BUT WE CAN LOOK AT SPEEDS WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH [INAUDIBLE]

>> GOOD. THANK YOU.

>> CHIEF FORTUNE, YOU'RE HERE.

YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB PATROLLING THAT.

YOU RARELY SEE SOMEONE HAULING DOWN THERE ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE WRITTEN A LOT OF TICKETS.

>> COME ON UP, CHIEF.

>> OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS A TIME THAT THERE WAS A BIG DEMAND.

WE'VE ASSERTED EFFORT WITH OUR TRAFFIC.

SEVERAL FOLKS HAVE MET US.

I THINK IT HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE.

>> NO DOUBT.

>> BUT WE CAN DO IT.

WE DEFINITELY CAN DO SPEED STUDIES BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THEM BEFORE AND WE CAN DO COMPARISON STUDIES OF WHAT IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE [INAUDIBLE] AS NOW.

THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

>> THANK YOU. FINAL ITEM 24-079,

[G.4. 24-079 Discuss and Consider the sale of Town owned property within Entrada, specifically 0.646 acres 34 Cortez, Westlake Entrada - Cortez Block L Lot 6, through public auction by sealed bid as required by Local Government Code 253 and notice such auction as required in Local Government Code 272 and take appropriate action. (Sean Kilbride, Mayor)]

DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE SALE OF TOWN OWNED PROPERTY WITH ENTRADA, SPECIFICALLY THE 0.646 ACRES AT 34 CORTES COURT, WESTLAKE ENTRADA, CORTES BLOCK L LOT 6, THROUGH PUBLIC AUCTION BY SEALED BID AS REQUIRED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENT 253 AND NOTIFY SUCH AUCTION AS REQUIRED.

LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 272 TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.

WE PUT THIS UP FOR SALE TWO YEARS AGO OR A YEAR AGO, AND WE HAD AN OFFER AND DIDN'T QUITE GO THROUGH.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS BACK UP FOR SALE AND WE HAVE A NEW APPRAISAL, WADE, RIGHT?

>> IF I'M NOT GOING TO BE USED IN THIS LAND, SO I MIGHT AS WELL USE THE MONEY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

ANY THOUGHTS?

>> WE DO HAVE AN APPRAISAL ON IT.

>> YES, SIR, WE HAVE THAT.

>> DOES IT HAVE TO BE A SEALED BID?

>> YES. IT HAS TO GO ON THE PAPER TWO TIMES, ONE WEEK APART, AND THEN THE SALE CAN HAPPEN CLOSER THAN 14 DAYS FROM THE LAST NOTIFICATION.

>> PROCESS?

>> WHEN WE GOT THE OFFER A YEAR AGO, WAS THAT SEALED BID?

>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS.

>> WAS IT SEALED BID?

>> I BELIEVE IT WAS.

>> WHAT'S THE TOWN'S BURDEN? SEAN, YOU'VE TOLD ME THIS BEFORE.

>> I THINK WE PAY 25 OR 30,000 A YEAR FOR THE PID INVESTMENT.

IT COSTS US $60,000 LAST TIME.

>> I HAVE THE NUMBERS HERE FOR YOU, MR. SHINER.

165,607 IS OUR ANNUAL PAYMENT AND WE HAVE ABOUT $175,000 LEFT TO PAY ON THE PID.

>> THANK YOU. [OVERLAPPING]

>> HAS THERE BEEN ANY INTERESTS?

>> THERE'S BEEN 3%. [OVERLAPPING]

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>> CAN I GET A FIRST FOR THIS ITEM?

>> MOTION CARRIES. CLOSE THAT OUT.

LET'S GO BACK TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

WHICH IS CORE LOGIC HERE? LET ME LOOK, 994.

[E.5. ORD-994 Conduct a public hearing and consider approving Ordinance 994 approving amendments to Ordinance 959 conditions, and approving a development plan for a portion of Lot 2R1, Block 1, Westlake/Southlake Park Addition Number One; and take appropriate action (Ron Ruthven, Planning and Development Director)]

WE'LL GO TO E5 FIRST, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING APPROVING ORDINANCE 994, APPROVING AMENDMENTS TO 959 CONDITIONS, APPROVING DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PORTION OF LOT 2 R1, BLOCK 1, WESTLAKE SOUTHLAKE PARK ADDITION NUMBER 1, AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.

RON, COME ON DOWN.

>> RON, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE ON E5 FOR ENTRADA FIRST.

GIVE ME ONE MOMENT, I GET THAT AGENDA MEMO.

>> DID PIN STACK UP. THE OTHER ONE UP.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE E5

>> THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE ENTRADA DEVELOPMENT, IS WHAT WE USED TO CALL THE CORE LOGIC PROPERTY, WHICH IS NEXT DOOR TO THE PARKING LOT HERE, AND ACTUALLY INCORPORATES SOME OF THE PARKING LOT.

THIS PROPERTY WAS INCORPORATED IN 2022.

IT WAS MOVED FROM THE SOLANA PD DISTRICT, BROADER PD DISTRICT, AND PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT WAS TO MOVE THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND US HERE, THAT USED TO BE ON 114, OVER TO THIS PROPERTY.

THAT ZONING TOOK PLACE, BUT THERE WERE CONDITIONS.

ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL HAD TO COME BACK WITH THE SITE PLAN AND IT ALSO HAD TO COMPLY WITH THE ENTRADA DESIGN GUIDELINES.

WE'RE AT A POINT HERE WHERE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO AND WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, IS THEY'D LIKE TO PUT 51 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS ON THE PROPERTY, BUT DON'T WANT THE HOMES TO BE BOUND BY THE ENTRADA DESIGN GUIDELINES.

THEY'D LIKE MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE HOMES, PROBABLY MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU SEE IN THE KNOLLS.

THAT'S WHY THEY PROVIDED SOME EXAMPLES THAT LOOK LIKE THAT.

WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHERE THEY CAN COME BACK WITH SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON LANDSCAPING AND BUILDING DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IN THE APPROVING ORDINANCE.

THIS IS NOT DISSIMILAR TO MANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN WESTLAKE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.

SO IT'S IN CHARACTER AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT REQUIREMENT.

IT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO BEGIN TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE PROPERTY, GET THE ENGINEERING DONE, AND THEN COME BACK ME WITH ADDITIONAL DETAILS.

THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE PD, AGAIN, THIS WAS IN THE SOLANA ZONING, MOVED TO THE ENTRADA ZONING, BUT IT WON'T CONNECT TO ENTRADA.

THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A MAIN ENTRANCE OUT ONTO SOLANA BOULEVARD, WHICH WOULD BE THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AND THERE WOULD BE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ENTRANCE THAT COMES IN OFF OF THE PARKING LOT THAT'S BEHIND THE DEVELOPMENT.

AGAIN, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE COME FORWARD DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT THE ONE THING TO UNDERSTAND TOO IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS ALREADY ENTITLED ON THIS PROPERTY.

THAT WAS PART OF THE DEAL WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS INCORPORATED INTO ENTRADA BECAUSE IT WAS JUST NON-RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL UNDER THE SOLANA ZONING.

IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE.

THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT IT FOLLOW THE ENTRADA DESIGN GUIDELINES BUT AS YOU SEE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT THIS FOLLOW OTHER DESIGN GUIDELINES OTHER THAN ENTRADA WITH MORE DETAILS TO COME LATER FROM THE APPLICANT.

I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.

WE CAN ANSWER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THOUGH, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER.

>> I KNOW I TRY TO OVERSIMPLIFY THINGS, BUT BASICALLY, THIS IS 51 HOMES, THERE'S AN 87 PAGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THESE ARE THE KNOLLS GUIDELINES.

>> BASICALLY, YES.

>> THAT'S PRETTY EASY TO UNDERSTAND.

>> ONE THING THE APPLICANT SAYS IN THEIR PROPOSALS, THEY'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW EITHER ENTRADA OR THE KNOLLS.

WHAT WE RECOMMEND IS THAT THEY JUST COME BACK AND GET THAT MORE LINED OUT IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES TO BE APPROVED LATER BY THE COUNCIL.

AGAIN, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN WESTLAKE RANCH, SOLANA HILLS, THE KNOLLS, AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL.

>> HEY RON. QUESTION FOR YOU IS THAT YOU INITIALLY STATED THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DESIGNED SIMILAR TO ENTRADA OR LIKE ENTRADA.

WHY DID THE TOWN SHIFT AND WHY DO WE FEEL THAT THAT IS A GOOD DECISION FROM AN AESTHETIC APPEAL?

>> THAT'S THE INTERESTING THING WITH THIS PROPERTY IS WHEN IT SHIFTED FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS THOUGHT THROUGH AT THE TIME IS THAT IF IT WAS GOING TO FOLLOW

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EITHER ENTRADA'S DESIGN GUIDELINES OR IT WAS GOING TO GO FULL MODERN AND FOLLOW MORE OF A SOLANA TYPE DESIGN.

THAT AT LEAST IT COULD FALL BACK ON WHAT THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES SHOWED AND WE COULD ALSO CONNECT INTO THE ENTRADA DEVELOPMENT.

IF IT GOES AWAY FROM THE ENTRADA GUIDELINES THOUGH, THAT WE JUST NEED MORE DETAILS TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET INTO A MORE MODERN DESIGN.

PART OF THE WHOLE THING ABOUT ENTRADA, IT DOES HAVE 20% OPEN SPACE, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR ENTRADA.

BUT A LOT OF THAT OPEN SPACE IS JUST BUFFERING AROUND THE EDGE, IN THE PERIMETER OF THE DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE ENTRADA IS REALLY ALL ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE BUILDINGS.

IT'S WHAT MAKES IT WHAT IT IS.

WHEN YOU GO AWAY FROM THAT AND GO INTO A MORE, WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL STANDARD TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL LOOK BECAUSE I KNOW THE MODERN DESIGN IS BECOMING MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO BUY, AS YOU SEE IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN WESTLAKE.

I THINK ONE THING THAT WOULD HELP THIS DEVELOPMENT IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THE OPEN SPACE WORKS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.

BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF HOW THAT BUILDING DESIGN GENERALLY, LIKE THE KNOLLS, COMES WITH IT.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE IN ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN WESTLAKE.

THEY'VE SUBMITTED US A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WE'VE REVIEWED AND THEY'RE CLOSE TO MEETING THE MINIMUM 20% THAT THE TOWN REQUIRES.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

>> CAN WE GET FRANK TO COME UP HERE AND TALK. FRANK, YOU WANT TO COME UP?

>> THIS IS GUARDED GATED, RIGHT?

>> TIM, WHAT DID YOU SAY?

>> THAT'S A PLUS.

>> I WAS JUST CONFIRMING IT'S GUARDED GATED.

>> YES, AND A SEPARATE ENTRANCE AND NO ENTRANCE FROM ENTRADA?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. IT WOULD JUST COME STRAIGHT OUT ONTO SOLANA BOULEVARD WITH AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY COMING IN FROM THE PARKING LOT.

>> WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO US WHEN WE FLIPPED THE ZONING, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THE ENTRANCE WAS FROM THE PARKING LOT AREA.

>> THE EXHIBIT THAT WAS DONE AT THE ZONING SHOWED ONE OFF THE COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY COMING IN OFF SOLANA AND THEN THE ONE CONNECTED TO THE PARKING LOT.

>> BECAUSE I THINK THE ONE THING THAT DOES CONCERN ME WITH MOVING IT TO SOLANA BOULEVARD, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT BUFFER FOR THE GATE AND THE ENTRANCE WAY AND THE SPILL FOR TRAFFIC, WHICH WAS A REALLY BIG CONCERN FOR QUEUING.

>> BUT ALSO WHAT IS IN WESTLAKE RANCH IS AN ANTI-STACKING DEVICE.

WHAT'S IN VILLAGGIO IS AN ANTI STACKING DEVICE AND I BELIEVE THAT FRANK IS LOOKING AT AN ANTI-STACKING DEVICE AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS, LAST THING WE WANT IS ANYONE MAKING A DANGEROUS MOVE.

IF IT STACKS OUT LIKE IT DOES CURRENTLY AT CERRO IN THE MORNING, THIS SYSTEM WILL JUST LET PEOPLE THROUGH AND SORT IT OUT LATER.

THEY HAD AI LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION, IT'S STATE OF THE ART.

IT'S THE ONLY PRODUCT THAT I KNOW OF THAT HAS ANTI-STACKING, MY BACKGROUND SECURITY AND THIS THING IS A UNICORN.

IT'S COCA COLA AND THERE'S NO PEPSI.

BUT IT SOLVES THAT STACKING PROBLEM.

IT ALSO HAS REAL SECURITY.

THE VILLAGGIO NEIGHBORHOOD, WESTLAKE RANCH, AND THEN POTENTIALLY THIS, WHEN SOMEONE COMES AND SEES YOU, THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT AN ID AND THEN THAT ID IS NOW WITH ABC 123 LICENSE PLATE.

I JUST THINK IT'S REAL SECURITY VERSUS A CODE THAT COULD BE PASSED AROUND.

SO THAT DOES ADDRESS THAT ANTI-STACKING THING, WHICH IS A HUGE CONCERN.

>> THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT TOO, WHICH WE'LL PUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

BUT ALSO THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM QUEUING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL IN THE CODE.

>> SOLANA RIGHT THERE, IT'S THREE LANE, CORRECT?

>> THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION DOES COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM DRIVEWAY SPACING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE CODE.

>> THAT HELPS ALSO.

>> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON PARKING.

WHAT SIZE ARE THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE? BECAUSE IS IT GOING TO BE COMPARABLE TO WHAT IS IN THE ENTRADA? ARE THEY GOING TO BE WIDER? WHAT ARE WE DOING IF THEY HAVE 51 LOTS IN THAT SPACE IS GOING TO STILL BE TIGHT.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AND HOW ARE THEY PROPOSING EXTRA PARKING?

>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE STREET.

THE STREET WILL BE 30 FEET WIDE, SO IT'S GOING TO MEET THE MINIMUM TOWN CROSS SECTION, SO THAT'LL ALLOW FOR CARS TO GET THROUGH IF THERE'S ANYBODY PARKED ON THE STREET.

IT'LL JUST BE A NORMAL STREET, IT WON'T HAVE THE PAVERS LIKE THE ENTRADA STREET WOULD.

AS FAR AS GUEST PARKING GOES, THERE'S NO DETAILS ON GUEST PARKING YET, BUT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THEY HAVE AT LEAST SOME PROVISION FOR GUEST PARKING, WHICH WITH A STREET THAT WIDE, YOU CAN DO PARALLEL SPACES OR EVEN SOME HEAD IN SPACES AS WELL ON SOME OF THE OPEN SPACE.

>> ANY THE UTILITIES ON THIS ARE NOT UNDERNEATH THE ROAD, RIGHT?

>> WE'LL HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK ON THAT.

>> YOU MIGHT REPHRASE THAT. THEY'RE NOT UNDER.

>> THE LAST QUESTION FOR ME IS ON

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THE ENTRATA PROPERTY TO THE WHAT WAS CALLED CORELOGIC PROPERTY, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE GATED ALL THE WAY AROUND, HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE SEALED OFF?

>> THEY'LL BE A GATE.

WELL, THEY'LL BE THE GATES ON THE TWO ENTRANCES.

>> BUT THEN ON THE OTHER SIDES THAT ARE ACTUALLY.

>> THERE WON'T BE ANY WAY TO TURN INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF CORTEZ. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING?

>> WELL, NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST NORMAL PERSON FLOW.

I MEAN, THEY COULD BE WALKING, THEY COULD BE CROSSING OVER.

RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOTHING THAT BARRIERS IT.

IF IT'S GOING TO TRULY BE A GATED COMMUNITY, THEN I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD BE BUILDING A BARRIER AROUND THAT COMMUNITY.

IF THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S GOING TO.

>> THERE WOULD BE A PERIMETER FENCE.

I DON'T HAVE THOSE DETAILS.

MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THAT.

BUT THE TOWN DOES HAVE MINIMUM FENCING REQUIREMENTS.

IT CAN'T BE A WOOD FENCE, AND IT NEEDS TO BE SET BACK A MINIMUM DEPTH, LIKE A LONG SOLANA BOULEVARD.

THERE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST A 25 FOOT SETBACK IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF OPAQUE WALL.

>> YEAH, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT ON THE ENTRATA SIDE THE BLENDING IS IT COULD BE INTERESTING.

WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ON HOW THAT LOOKS GOING INTO ENTRATA, BECAUSE THEN IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE APPEAL IN THE LOOK AND FEEL OF ENTRATA.

>> IDEALLY, WITH A GATED DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, YOU'LL HAVE A GOOD OPEN SPACE BUFFER ALL THE WAY AROUND IT THAT GIVES IT THAT SHIELDING EFFECT, AND ALSO BUFFERS THE HOMES, IT'S SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY EITHER COMMERCIAL OR A SIX LANE MATERIAL ROADWAY.

>> JUST FOR MY REFERENCE, WHAT'S THIS ROAD SIZE?

>> IT'S 24 FEET FOR ENTRATA AND THAT'S FROM CURB TO CURB.

>> GOT IT. I GUESS I HAVE ONE LAST AND THEN IN THE DECK IT TALKS ABOUT SOLAR.

IS THAT A CHANGE FOR THE TOWN?

>> I'M SORRY.

>> IN THIS DECK, I THINK ON PAGE 176 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT TALKS ABOUT SOLAR.

IS THAT A CHANGE IN DIRECTION THAT THE TOWN IS GOING TO SUPPORT?

>> THE TOWN'S ORDINANCES DON'T REALLY ADDRESS SOLAR PANELS RIGHT NOW.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, MOST OF THE HOA'S HAVE THEIR OWN RESTRICTIONS ON IT.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CIRCLE BACK ON, THOUGH, WHEN WE GET TO THOSE FINAL DESIGN GUIDELINES.

>> I CAN ONLY TELL YOU I TRIED TO PUT A SOLAR ON, MINE AND THE TOWN SAID ABSOLUTELY.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS THAT GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE? BECAUSE THESE ARE GOING TO BE ONE AND TWO STORY AND WE'RE ALL FULL DISCLOSURE.

I LIVE IN THE FOUR STORY AND I'LL BE LOOKING DOWN ON IT.

IF I CAN'T HAVE IT ON A FOUR STORY, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE POSITIONING THAT OR ARE WE OPENING UP A NEW BOX.

THEN THAT'S FINE. WE JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING.

>> THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THAT BEFORE IT GETS TO FINAL APPROVAL ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

>> TIM, WE'LL START WITH YOURS.

THE STACKING IS EIGHT.

WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF SPACE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET STAFFED UPON ATALANTA, THEN I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE SOLAR ISSUE.

I THINK YOUR TOWN ATTORNEY STANK CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS THAT.

THIS BECOMES A STATE AND FEDERAL ISSUE.

THAT BATTLE WILL BE FOUGHT WITH US.

IF AN INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND SAY, I WANT THIS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO TURN THEM OVER TO YOU AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET APPROVAL.

THAT WILL NOT BE A DEVELOPER ISSUE.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I START?

>> FRANK BENIA. TO YOUR FURTHER QUESTION, DAVID, ON THE WALL THERE IS A SHEPHERD'S WALL THAT'S PLANNED ALONG SOLANA BOULEVARD AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WILL BE FENCED IN WILL COMPLY WITH THE TOWN OF WEST LAKES RULES.

QUESTIONS ON FENCING? ANYBODY ELSE? I'M LOOKING AT HOW IT'S GOING TO BE READ IN TODAY AND I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE GOT.

FIRST IS ON SECTION A WE'VE GOT NOT MORE THAN 51 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL UNITS BEING DEVELOPED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INSERT HERE 15.2 ACRES ONLY.

THAT'S ALL THAT I CONTROL, CORELOGIC.

I THINK WHEN YOU GOT THIS THING MOVED WITH 22 AND CHANGE ALL THAT FALLS INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

HERE IS 15.2 ACRES.

MOVING ON TO SECTION G. GO AHEAD.

>> DO YOU OWN THE OTHER SIX ACRES?

>> I DO NOT.

>> WHO OWNS THAT?

>> THAT WILL BE THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF CORELOGIC.

>> THANK YOU. GOT IT.

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>> GOING TO SECTION G. PRIOR TO FINAL ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, APPROVAL OF PRIVATE STREETS, AND RELEASE OF RESIDENTIAL PERMITS, THE DEVELOPER SHALL SUBMIT AND RECEIVE APPROVAL FOR A FINAL PLAT WHICH SHOULD BE PLATTED AS A SINGLE PHASE.

FIRST, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THESE THINGS PLATTED.

IT'LL COME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE TOWN HERE IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS WITH THE FINAL PLAT.

THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO START OUR PROJECT RIGHT AWAY.

THERE ARE 17 HOME SITES THAT ARE ON SOLANA AND ON THE BACK SIDE THAT WE'D LIKE TO RELEASE EARLY PERMITS TO SO THAT WE CAN START THAT PROCESS OF BUILDING.

ON H, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF NOTICE.

TO PROCEED, THE BILL SHOULD SUBMIT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR FINAL APPROVAL BY THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS.

WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED AN 87-PAGE DOCUMENT THAT VERY CLEARLY STATES WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE NOLES.

IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ANY ENTRATA DESIGN, THAT'S FINE.

BUT WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT HASN'T TAKEN OFF FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.

IF EVERYBODY WANTED ENTRATA, ENTRATA WOULD BE SOLD OUT, AND IT'S NOT.

EVERYBODY THAT WE TALKED TO, BUILDERS, REAL ESTATE PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO COME TO OUR TOWN, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT DESIGN AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PROVIDE WHEN THAT ORIGINAL PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS SWAPPED FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK, WHICH IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA AND THE MAYOR BROUGHT THAT FORWARD AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD HAVE WANTED TO LIVE ON 114.

NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE.

THE TOUGH PROCESS WAS NEVER THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ENTRATA DESIGNED, IT WAS ALWAYS AN OPEN ISSUE IDEA THAT WE WERE GOING TO BUILD NEW, TO COME BACK AND SWEEP US BACK INTO THAT ENTRATA GUIDELINE.

IF SO, WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD THAT WAY. THAT'S GREAT.

BUT WE'RE HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE CONSUMER IS LOOKING FOR THE NOLES DESIGN.

>> FRANK, REAL QUICK?

>> HOW LONG HAS THIS PROCESS BEEN GOING ON?

>> I TURNED ON MY FIRST DOCUMENTS OVER A YEAR AGO IN MARCH.

I HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT'S IN.

I GOT TWO COMMENTS BACK.

WHAT TREES WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT AND WHAT TREES WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN, PRETTY EASY.

STREETS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED SINCE DAY ONE, 31 FEET.

EVEN THOUGH IF WE WANTED TO GO WITH THE ENTRATA PIECE, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND DO THE WINDY ROADS, DO THEM SMALL, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.

WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE CONSUMER WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THE WINDY ROADS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS NOT LOOKING FOR THE WINDY ROADS.

EITHER I LIVE IN ENTRATA, IF I COULD PUSH THOSE ROADS OUT, I'D DO IT EVERY DAY.

>> I HEAR YOUR FRUSTRATION.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO BRING A DEVELOPMENT IN THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'LL GET TO.

>> I WILL GET TO THAT.

>> BUT I ALSO HEAR YOUR FRUSTRATION AND I'M SORRY HE'S TAKEN 14 MONTHS TO GET TO THIS POINT.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M SORRY ABOUT THE FRUSTRATION.

IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT READ AND RIGHT.

I'M NOT BACK HERE IN SIX MORE MONTHS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE STILL NOT MOVING DIRT.

LET'S MOVE TO J DESIGN GUIDELINES.

AGAIN, THAT IS AN 87-PAGE DOCUMENT.

VERY CLEAR PICTURES ARE THERE OF WHAT WE WANT TO PRODUCE.

THERE'S NOTHING HIDDEN THERE.

IT'S VERY FORWARD.

I WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN OF HAVING TO EXPLAIN THE NOLES DESIGN.

IT'S ALMOST SOLD OUT, GENTLEMEN, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO COPY.

LET'S GO TO K LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH I ALREADY GOT TO.

IT'S ALREADY IT'S INSIDE AND IT'S READY TO GO.

GO TO M. IT NEEDS TO BE REVISED TO READ 15.2 ACRES ONLY.

I DON'T CONTROL THE 22 ACRES.

THAT LEAVES US WITH THE LAST PIECE, WHICH IS THE GRADING PLAN.

I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR AN EARLY RELEASE GRADING PLAN NOW FOR SEVEN MONTHS.

THE ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THIS PROJECT IS HUGE.

LET ME PULL THIS UP REAL QUICK SO I GET THE NUMBERS RIGHT AS I READ IT INTO.

51 HOMES, AVERAGE PRICE 3.2 MILLION.

I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO A BILL TODAY THAT SAYS HE WON'T BILL AT 3.2 HE'S AT 3.6.

IF YOU KEEP IT 3.2, IT'S $163,200,000 PROGRAM.

THAT LEAVES YOU WITH $293,760 OF PROPERTY TAX DUE TO THE TOWN ANNUALLY.

THERE'S A $10,000 ACADEMY FEE, THAT'S $510,000.

THE REVIEW FOR THE PLANS IS 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR AND THERE'S A $180,000 6% INFRASTRUCTURE INSPECTION FEE.

BRING THAT TOTAL PROGRAM TO $2,092,500.

QUITE A BIG IMPACT AND I SAW SEVERAL OF YOU PEOPLE HERE WHEN WE DID THE OPEN HOUSE FOR COPA AND WE DID IT FOR HUGO'S, PEOPLE CAME UP TO US AND WANTED TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO START.

RESTAURANT TOURS. WANTED TO KNOW WHEN THESE 51 HOMES ARE GOING TO BE HERE, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BRING RESTAURANTS TO YOUR COMMUNITY UNTIL YOU HAVE MORE HOUSES.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE. HERE ARE THE 51 HOMES THAT WILL START THAT PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD AND WE'D LIKE TO START.

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>> THOSE ARE THE REVISIONS THAT I'D LIKE TO MY PLAN WAY RETHINK AND THE REVISIONS.

>> THE MAIN REVISIONS THAT I'M SEEING IS THE 15.2 ACRES.

WHAT DO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE GRADING PLAN? IT'S WE'VE GOT SOME WORDING ALREADY OUT TO MR. BENIA FOR THE GRADING FOR EARLY GRADING PERMIT.

SOME REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY MIGHT LOOK AT.

>> LET'S LOOK AT THOSE.

LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.

I GOT A DOCUMENT THAT ASKED ME TO PUT UP A $500,000 BOND.

THE GRADE ON PROPERTY THAT I ALREADY OWN, AND THERE ARE NO UTILITIES UNDERNEATH, NOT ONE OTHER DEVELOPER HERE HAS BEEN ASKED TO DO THAT.

WHY ON THIS PROPERTY AM I BEING ASKED TO PUT UP A $500,000 BOND THAT YOU'LL CONTROL AND IF I DESTROY SOMETHING, THAT YOU GET THE FIRST SHOT.

A TAKING AND REMEDIATING IT.

I DIDN'T EVEN GET THE SHOT AT REMEDIATION.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I'M BEING ASKED TO PUT A BOND UP, BUT NO ONE ELSE HAS BEEN ASKED TO DO SO.

>> SURE, THE BOND IS JUST TO RETURN THE GROUNDS BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE IF IT'S REQUIRED.

WE DID AN ESTIMATION ON WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO COST, AND IT WAS GOING TO COST ABOUT $500,000.

WHO ELSE HAS BEEN ASKED TO DO THIS?

>> THAT WAS THE COST ESTIMATE THAT WE RECEIVED.

>> LET'S GET THE LANDSCAPING PEOPLE THAT DO 94 ACRES FOR 262.

WE'RE NOT EVEN GROWING ANYTHING.

>> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO? I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY CUT DIRT AND CUT ROADS IN THERE SO WE CAN START MOVING SOME THINGS AROUND.

>> THIS WAS ONLY A PROTECTION MEASURE FOR THE TOWN THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO.

>> I KNOW, BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE MORE FRIENDLY TO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO INVEST IN OUR TOWN.

IT'S ON RETURN IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS, YOU'RE ASKING HIM TO DO SOMETHING THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS.

HE'S BEEN COMING TO US FOR 14 MONTHS.

THE TOWN IS STARVING FOR RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS, AND WE NEED HOUSING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 3.5 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSES.

WE'RE TALKING 510,000 BUCKS DONATED TO THE SCHOOL. SCHOOL NEEDS MONEY.

>> I DID WANT TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO THIS TO TIM'S POINT, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO AND WHO ELSE HAS HAD TO DO? IS THIS A NORMAL OPERATING PROCEDURE?

>> IT'S NORMAL IN OTHER CITIES.

WE HAVE NEVER DONE THAT IN THIS TOWN.

I COMPLETELY AGREE, TIM.

>> I DON'T WANT US TO BE PORTRAYED AS A DIFFICULT TOWN TO DO BUSINESS IN, PEOPLE ARE SIMPLY GOING TO GO ELSEWHERE.

WE HAVE IN ENTRADA TAKE OVER A DECADE WITH THINGS THAT DIDN'T GO AS QUICK AND WE'VE ALL HAD TO LOOK AT THAT.

SOME PEOPLE SAY IT'S BECAUSE OF THE TOWN AND BUREAUCRACY.

SOME PEOPLE SAY IT'S BUILDING STANDARDS.

SOME PEOPLE SAY IT'S A POOR PLAN.

I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING THAT WE CAN DO BETTER.

>> I'D LIKE TO MOVE DIRT AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE DIRT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET INTERESTED IN COMING TO THIS TOWN.

>> BUT FRANK, I'M A HUGE SUPPORTER OF THIS PROJECT.

THIS PROJECT IS, TO ME, NOT JUST ABOUT YOU.

IT HELPS FIX THINGS IN ENTRADA ITSELF.

>> BECAUSE THE PRODUCT SIZE THAT WE WERE BUILDING IN ENTRADA WAS TOO SMALL.

SOME OF THE ENTITLEMENT MOVED OVER TO YOUR LAND AND ALLOWS FOR PRODUCTS.

AT ONE POINT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING ONE BEDROOMS OR HOMES ARE 1,800 SQUARE FEET, WESTLAKE, THAT'S NOT A PRODUCT THAT WESTLAKE PEOPLE WANT.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR 2,500-3,000.

IT HELPS MAKE ENTRADA MORE VIABLE.

IT HELPS MAKE OR LOGIC, WHICH IS YOUR PROJECT MORE VIABLE.

ALSO IT'LL MOVE THE RESTAURANTS THAT WE WANT TO MOVE.

>> THEN THE OTHER THING I'LL ADD, I'M SORRY, I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE COME TO ME LIKE WADE WHITE AND KATIE.

HOW MANY LOTS SAY FOUR?

>> FOUR.

>> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD FAMILY IN WESTLAKE THAT'S BEING HELD HOSTAGE BY OUR TOWN.

>> CORRECT?

>> LUCY NOONAN HAS GOT BUILDERS AT ATWOOD AND OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE FRUSTRATED.

I KNOW THAT PAUL'S HAD CHALLENGES, WE'VE GOT TO BE MORE BUILDER-FRIENDLY.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE BUILDING ENTRY-LEVEL STUFF, WE'RE BUILDING QUALITY STUFF.

YOU CAN'T GET A CEO UNLESS THINGS ARE DONE RIGHT.

WE DO HAVE LEVERAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE DONE RIGHT.

IT'S EASY TO GO, PUT UP 500 GRAND, OR IT TOOK 14 MONTHS WHEN YOU'RE NOT PAYING INTERIM MONEY AND YOU'VE NEVER HAVE DONE ANY REAL ESTATE.

BUT THIS IS REAL.

>> THE PENAL IS REAL.

HERE'S HOW I PROPOSE WE DO, WE TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE AB, H, AND M, AND THEN FOR S.

THEN WE ALSO REMOVE THE 500K.

THAT'S HOW THE MOTION SHOULD BE AND DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HAMMY.

>> SURE, YOU ARE.

>> ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS FLIPPED TO RESIDENTIAL FROM THE OTHER AREA AND THIS WAS ADDED ON.

WHEN IT CAME TO PNZ, IT WAS ADDED ON AS PART OF ENTRADA.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR INTENTION IS TO DIVORCE IT FROM ENTRADA.

IT'S STILL UNDER THOSE ENTITLEMENTS, BUT IN TERMS OF DIVORCING IT FROM THE ENTRADA GUIDELINES [INAUDIBLE] AND CORRECT.

>> THE WHOLE PROJECT IN CORE LOGIC,

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NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT BY ITSELF.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WINDY ROADS BACK THERE, JUST TELL ME.

I'LL DRAW THEM BACK UP FOR YOU.

>> THE POINT IS THAT THIS AS PNZ, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS IS COMING TO US SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT WITH FRONT EYES.

>> I PUT THIS THING FORWARD FOR 14 MONTHS.

IF STAFF HASN'T BROUGHT IT TO YOU, THERE'S NOT A LOT I CAN TELL YOU.

WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THIS.

IF PNZ WANTS WINDY ROADS LIKE IN ENTRADA, THEN WE'LL PROVIDE THEM TO YOU ALL DAY LONG.

I'VE BEEN VERY DILIGENT ABOUT MAKING SURE I LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I'M GOING TO LIVE INSIDE THESE GATES THAT THIS LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE IT SUPPOSED TO LOOK.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE BUILDING IT, THAT'S WHY WE'VE TAKEN THIS GATE TO WHERE IT IS.

THAT'S WHERE I WANTED THE GATE THE FIRST TIME AND THEY DIDN'T WANT IT THERE THEY WANTED ON THE BACK SIDE, I ACQUIESCED.

I THINK THE GATE IS EXACTLY WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

THE STUDY HAS BEEN DONE AND IT GOES THERE.

THERE'S A SHEPHERD WALL THAT GOES TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME DEMARCATION LINES.

THE FENCING WILL BE EXACTLY LIKE IT'S CALLED OUT IN THE WESTLAKE PNZ RULES.

THE ESSENCE OF THIS PROGRAM IS, ARE YOU LOOKING TO GET PEOPLE HERE AT 3.2 MILLION DOLLARS AND ABOVE WITH 51 HOMES IN PLACE? YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE KNOLLS.

IT'S A SELLOUT. YOU KNOW IT.

I'M NOT BRINGING ANOTHER PROJECT TO THE FLOOR.

I'M NOT SELLING YOU A BUNCH OF DRAWINGS.

I'M TELLING YOU IT'S THE 87 PAGE DOCUMENT THAT'S BEEN PUT FORWARD TO STAFF THAT SAYS, WE WOULD LIKE TO ABLE TO BUILD LIKE THE KNOLLS.

>> THE QUESTION I HAVE IS BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MATERIALS THAT YOU PRESENTED.

THOSE ARE ALL IN THE STYLE OF THE KNOLLS.

IS YOUR INTENTION THAT WILL BE THE ENTIRE STYLE OR WILL PEOPLE HAVE THE OPTION?

>> PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE OPTION.

>> FOR THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDERS?

>> CORRECT.

>> THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS IN TERMS OF WE TALKED ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE.

I SEE ON YOUR PLAN, YOU HAVE SOME OPEN SPACE ON THE EDGES AND THE BUFFER.

WHAT WILL THE BUFFER BE ON THE SOLANA?

>> THE BUFFER ON SOLANA IS THE SHEPHERD'S WALL THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED BY CBS, ALL THE WAY TO STARBUCKS.

IT RANGES FROM 3-4 FEET IT UNDULATES.

IT KEEPS THAT THOUGHT PROCESS GOING THAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW.

>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DEPTH OF THAT BUFFER IS FROM SOLANA?

>> THIRTY FEET.

>> THIRTY FEET. OKAY, GREAT. THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, IN TERMS OF THE LOTS IN THE LOT SIZE, THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY MORE ON THE ENTRADA STANDARDS VERSUS THE SOLANA, I'M SORRY, THE KNOLLS.

THE KNOLLS THOSE LOTS ARE AVERAGING ABOUT 9,000 SQUARE FEET.

IT LOOKS LIKE THESE YOU'RE AVERAGING ABOUT 6,000 SQUARE FEET A LOT, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> SIXTY-FIVE WIDE, ONE 10 DEEP.

>> THAT'S 6,600 LOTS.

MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN WITH THE HOUSES ON THERE, WE HAVE CONCEPTUAL OF WHAT THE HOUSES WILL LOOK LIKE BUT NOT WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL LOOK LIKE.

MY QUESTION IS IN TERMS OF PUTTING HOUSES THIS SIZE ON THAT SMALL OF LOT, WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE LOOK AND THE FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE IN?

>> IT'S IN THE 87 PAGE DOCUMENT, WE CONSULTED WITH SEVERAL OF THE BUILDERS THAT WANT TO BUILD HERE, AND THEY HAVE COME FORWARD AND SAID, THIS IS THE KIND OF HOME SITE WE WOULD HAVE.

BUT WE DID NOT DICTATE TO THEM.

WE ACTUALLY UTILIZE LOCAL REAL ESTATE AGENTS AND WE REACHED OUT TO THEIR BUILDERS AND WE GOT THEIR INPUT BEFORE WE DESIGNED THIS DEVELOPMENT.

>> I THINK THAT THE DESIGNS OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE IN THE DOCUMENT LOOK GREAT.

MY QUESTION IS JUST THE MASSING OF IT IS OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE DENSE THAN THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN TOWN.

SO THAT IS MY QUESTION.

>> WELL, TAMMY, IF YOU LOOK ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO ON THAT PROPERTY, YOU CAN PUT 108 HOUSES THERE. NO GATE.

>> YOU COULD PUT ENTRADA THE DENSITY IS WAY HIGH.

>> THIS ACTUALLY HELPS THE ENTRADA DENSITY, BECAUSE SOME OF THE UNITS CAME OUT, SO IT'S ACTUALLY MAKING ENTRADA LESS DENSE.

AND THOSE ROADS ARE WINDY AND SMALL.

>> YOU'RE SAYING 51 HOMES ON 15.2 ACRES, SO THAT'S LIKE 3.36 UNITS PER ACRE.

>> I'M JUST STATING IT'S MUCH MORE DENSE THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.

THE NEXT DENSE WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WE JUST APPROVED, THE SOLANA HILLS, WHICH IS 1.97 IN TERMS OF DENSITY. IT'S A LOT MORE DENSE.

>> BUT COMPARED TO WHAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN WITH TERRAIN 14, WITH THE ENTRADA DENSITY IN ON 114 YOU WOULD HAVE HAD DENSITY, YOU WOULD HAVE HOUSES ON 114 AND YOU WOULD HAVE LOST ALL THE POTENTIAL FOR TAX DOLLARS OFF A 114 ACCESS ROAD.

THIS IS A TOTAL WINNER COMPARED TO THAT.

>> YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER TOO THAT MOST OF ENTRADA WE HAVE BEEN TAKING THE DENSITY OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT THE PRODUCT.

WE'VE GONE FROM ROWS OF TOWNHOMES TO DETACHED SINGLE-FAMILY SMALL LOTS.

>> MORE SUBURBAN VERSUS LESS URBAN, RIGHT?

>> YES. I'LL SAY THAT PHASE 3 IS HALF THE DENSITY OF CURRENT ENTRADA BY NUMBERS.

>> MY ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS I DON'T WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPTION TO MIX.

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I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT LOOK LIKE THE KNOLLS, I WOULD BE LOOK LIKE ENTRADA NOT BOTH.

>> I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE THAT ON.

WHAT I WAS DOING IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THE INTEGRITY WAS AN IMPORTANT PIECE THAT PEOPLE SAID, WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE ENTRADA AND I WAS WILLING TO MAKE THAT CONCESSION.

I WILL SAY THIS, TALKING TO THE BUILDERS AND TALKING TO THE CUSTOMERS THAT WANT TO COME IN.

THEY LOOK AT THE KNOLLS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO REPEAT.

I'D BE VERY SURPRISED IF YOU SAW MORE ENTRADA PROPERTY BEING BUILT.

>> I WOULD PREFER TO JUST NOT MAKE IT AN OPTION.

>> THAT'S OKAY WITH ME. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?

>> PERFECTLY OKAY WITH THAT. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

THE WAY THIS HAS TO WORK IS PNZ IS GOING TO GO FIRST, THEN COUNSEL WILL VOTE SECOND, AND WE'LL HOLD A PUBLIC.

CAN WE DO A COMMON PUBLIC HEARING? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? OR DO WE HAVE TO DO SEPARATE ONES?

>> YOU CAN COMBINE THE PUBLIC.

>> ALL RIGHT WE WILL COMBINE THEM. AS PROPOSED IN THE DOCUMENT, WE'LL MAKE THE CHANGES AS FRANK REQUEST IN A, B, H, M, AND S. WE'RE REMOVING THE $500,000 BOND AND WITH A KNOLLS ARCHITECTURE AND GET RID OF THE OPTION FOR ENTRADA.

>> DON'T FORGET K.

>> THERE YOU GO.

>> WADE, ANY ISSUES IN THAT?

>> NO, SIR.

>> ADAM, WANT TO GO FIRST?

>> WE'RE GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> ANY COMMENTS?

>> ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS?

>> UNHEARD. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DO HAVE A QUORUM.

WE'VE GOT FOUR COMMISSIONERS HERE.

CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CHANGES THE MAYOR HAS LAID OUT?

>> I'LL FIRST.

>> SECOND. I DIDN'T GET A SECOND.

>> I HAVE SOME CONCERNS. I SECOND.

>> IS YOUR SECOND.

>> I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED?

>> I'M ABSTAINING.

>> IT'S TWO, TWO? IS THAT WHAT IT IS?

>> IT'S TWO, ONE, WITH ONE ABSTAINED.

>> AN ABSTENTION COUNCIL IS A NO. YES, SIR.

>> IT'S TWO, TWO.

>> CAN WE JUST ASK A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS?

>> I DON'T WANT TO THROW THIS OUT.

I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA AND I WANT TO GO FORWARD.

I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE BEEN PRESENTED ENOUGH INFORMATION.

>> WHAT CAN I HELP YOU WITH?

>> YOU PRESENTED IT 14 MONTHS AGO, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

>> NO. IT'S NEVER BEEN PRESENTED.

>> IT'S NEVER BEEN BEFORE US.

>> THERE ARE DEVELOPERS TRYING TO INVEST IN OUR TOWN.

>> I PUT THIS FORWARD TO THE TOWN.

>> ULTIMATELY, IT IS.

>> LET ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY.

>> I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE, BASED ON SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE.

WHAT'S THE OPEN SPACE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE?

>> TOP RIGHT CORNER WITH THE PURPLE CIRCLE.

THAT IS ALL OPEN SPACE THAT FACES ONTO ENTRADA.

THE SMALL SPACE TO THE RIGHT OF THAT IS ALSO OPEN SPACE.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP GOING ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE.

THE YELLOW IS ALSO OPEN SPACE.

>> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF OPEN SPACE IS?

>> IT'S OVER THE REQUIREMENT.

WE HAVE A DOG PARK IN THE VERY FAR LEFT CORNER HERE.

THAT'S A DOG PARK THAT WE'VE INSTITUTED.

I LIVE IN ENTRADA.

THE DOG PARK THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS PROBABLY THIS WIDE BY THAT DEEP.

IT IS USED CONSTANTLY BY OUR FOLKS.

IT'S NOWHERE NEAR WHAT THEY DESERVE, BUT WE TOOK THAT WHOLE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND MADE SURE THAT THAT WAS A DOG PARK FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE WHERE YOU HAVE THE OPEN SPACE LOT THEN YOU HAVE A LOT THAT'S LONG CONNECTED LOT? IS THAT ONE LOT?

>> THAT IS ONE LOT. YES, MA'AM.

>> THAT'S A MUCH LARGER LOT.

THEN THE OTHER LOTS ARE ALL ABOUT AVERAGE?

>> WE TOOK THE DENSITY DOWN FROM 53-51 THAT WAY.

>> QUESTIONS, TAMMY.

>> THAT'S THE REST OF PARKING BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS AN ISSUE ABOUT GUESTS COMING IN AND PARKING.

WITH THE ROADS BEING AT 31 FEET, IT'S IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.

YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM TO PARK YOUR GUESTS, PARALLEL PARKING ALONG THOSE ROADS, AND STILL HAVE ACCESS OR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO GET AROUND THE CORNERS.

WE ARE COMPLIANT THERE.

>> TAMMY.

>>THANK YOU.

>> LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE MAYOR'S CHANGES THAT HE OUTLINED?

>> MOTION.

>> CAN I HAVE A SECOND?

>> I SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR, AYE? ALL OPPOSED? THREE, FOUR, ONE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

>> SAME MOTION. CAN I GET A FIRST?

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>> ALL OPPOSED? NO OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

>> WE APPRECIATE YOUR HELP, GENTLEMEN. WE LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING DIRT.

>> THANK YOU FOR INVESTING IN US.

>> THANK YOU GUYS.

[Items E.3. & E.4.]

>> NOW LET'S MOVE ON TO E4, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 24-24, APPROVING A PRELIMINARY SITE EVALUATION FOR THE CIRCLE T FRONT 44 PHASE 1 DEVELOPMENT CONTAINING 16.3 ACRES LOCATED AT STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND 117 SCHWAB WAY, AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.

>> WELL, I'D RECOMMEND WE DO THE PRELIMINARY SITE EVALUATION EITHER COMBINED WITH THE OTHER ONE, THE FRONT 44, OR FLIP THEM.

>> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? BOTH IN ONE SHOT?

>> WE CAN DO THAT. THAT'S FINE.

>> IS THAT THE E3 ONE?

>> THAT WOULD BE E3 AND 4.

>> E3 AND 4 WILL DO. E3 IS ORDINANCE 993, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER APPROVING ORDINANCE 993.

APPROVING AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE 769 IS AMENDED.

APPROVING A CONCEPT AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PORTION OF PD3-5A ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND 117 SCHWAB WAY.

>> MAYOR, THIS IS THE FRONT 44 DEVELOPMENT ACROSS FROM SCHWAB, BETWEEN SCHWAB WAY AND 114, 170.

THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST PHASE OF THE FRONT 44 DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD BE ON 16.38 ACRES.

THIS WOULD INCLUDE RETAIL OFFICE AND OTHER USES, SUCH AS MAYBE A FITNESS CENTER, DAYCARE, AND HOTEL AS WELL.

>> THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW, SIX YEARS FOR FRONT 44, SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

>> IT WAS GOING TO COME IN AS PART OF THE SCHWAB DEVELOPMENT, BUT BEHIND IT ACTUALLY.

WE'RE FILING TO A POINT WHERE THIS IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ALTHOUGH JUST IN THE FIRST PHASE, AS SHOWN IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT.

WHAT THE PD ORDINANCE REQUIRES IS A CONCEPT PLAN, DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND SITE PLANS, WHICH AS THE PREVIOUS ZONING CASE DEMONSTRATES, THERE'S STEPS TO GO THROUGH IN THAT PROCESS.

THEY'RE GETTING THE FIRST TWO STEPS OUT OF THE WAY TONIGHT.

THE CONCEPT PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE 16.38 ACRES SHOWS THE LOTS, SHOWS THE PROPOSED USES.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET NEXT ARE THE SITE PLANS.

ACTUALLY, WE'VE GOTTEN THOSE AND WE'RE REVIEWING THEM AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND WE'LL BRING THOSE FORWARD NEXT.

THE PRELIMINARY SITE EVALUATION, JUST AFTER THE CONCEPT PLAN DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT WILL GET THEM GOING TO BE ABLE TO START THE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, GRADING, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY ARE HERE TONIGHT AND CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THE DEVELOPMENTS.

I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN THE PACKET? NO?

>> WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE LAND IS BEING DEVELOPED DID YOU SAY IN THIS FIRST PHASE?

>> I THINK I HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN, BUT IT'S, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 25-30%.

>> ANY INSIGHT INTO WHAT THE REST OF IT WILL LIKELY BECOME?

>> THE ZONING DOES ALLOW FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES, INCLUDING UP TO 275 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED OR DETACHED UNITS.

BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, JUST IN TALKING TO THE DEVELOPER, WE'RE NOT SURE YET AS TO WHAT THE NEXT PHASE IS GOING TO BE.

I WILL SAY THOUGH, THERE IS A SCHWAB ELEMENT THERE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO COME IN AT THE CORNER OF SCHWAB AND 114 THAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR RETAIL.

A FLAGSHIP OPERATION.

I'VE TALKED WITH SCHWAB. THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN BEHIND HILLWOOD AND TRY TO GET THAT GOING PROBABLY THIS YEAR.

BUT TO THE WEST AND ALL THE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY GOING ALL THE WAY OVER TO OTTINGER ROAD, AND THEY CAN BETTER ANSWER THAN I CAN, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PLANNED AT THIS POINT.

>> WHAT'S THE ACCESS?

>> THE ACCESS TO THE UNDEVELOPED PORTION OR ALL OF IT?

>> TO THE DEVELOPED.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE A MIX OF THE FREEWAY FRONTAGE ROAD AND SCHWAB WAY WITH A SMALLER CONNECTING OR COLLECTOR STREETS, I SHOULD SAY, THROUGHOUT THE INTERNAL PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO GET YOU ACCESS TO BOTH THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND TO SCHWAB WAY.

THEY DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BACK EARLY ON WHEN SCHWAB CAME IN.

IT WAS A COMBINATION THAT SHOWED EVENTUALLY FULL BUILD OUTS, OVER 30,000 TRIPS PER DAY.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THERE'S A STREET THAT CONNECTS 170 AND SCHWAB WAY THAT WAS BUILT A FEW YEARS AGO TO DEAL WITH ALL THAT TRAFFIC.

WITH WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HAPPEN ON 170 AND 114 NOW WITH ADDITIONAL LANES AND MAIN LANES OPENING UP, THERE'S STILL A LITTLE WORK THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR THERE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THIS TRAFFIC, BUT MOST OF THAT TRAFFIC SHOULD BE ACCOMMODATED BY THE ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.

>> HAVE WE ALREADY PUT ALL THE UTILITIES IN PLACE FOR THIS?

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WITH SCHWAB, WE INTENDED TO HAVE ALL THE STUFF HERE.

WE KEEP TALKING THE WATER TANK AND SUCH.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY, CAPACITY AS THE STUFF COMES ON TO ABSORB ALL THESE PROJECTS FOR PUBLIC WORKS?

>> YES. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE THE CAPACITY.

AS WE BUILD OUT, WE'LL HAVE TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY.

>> THIS WILL PROBABLY HELP TRIGGER THAT.

IT WILL BE ON THE PATH FOR THIS PIECE HERE.

>> YES, SIR.

>> FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE SEWER SIDE, TRA, WHICH IS THE WHOLESALE SEWER PROVIDER FOR MOST OF THE CITIES AROUND HERE, THEY'RE ABOUT TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL CAPACITY ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN AS WELL.

JUST THINKING AHEAD TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? YOU TALKED ABOUT MULTI-STAGE APPROVAL, YOU'RE COMBINING TWO, BUT WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP THAT COMES BACK?

>> AFTER THIS, THE SITE PLANS COME IN.

WE SHOULD SEE THOSE NEXT MONTH ON THE NEXT P&Z AND COUNCIL CYCLE.

AGAIN, THEY CAN GIVE A BETTER EXPLANATION THAN I CAN, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT MID SUMMER TO START TURNING DIRT AND GETTING THINGS GOING.

>> IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, LET'S OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH E3 AND E4.

>> CAN WE DO BOTH JOINTLY? GO AHEAD.

>> ANY COMMENTS? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THEN FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT MULTIPLE MEETINGS NOW.

I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND.

WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THESE SEPARATELY, CORRECT?

>> I BELIEVE WE ALREADY APPROVED.

>> NO, WE DID NOT. WE DID THE FIRST TWO.

>> JUST TO CLEAR IT UP, P&Z DID APPROVE THE CONCEPT PLAN, BUT THEN WE BUNDLED THEM TOGETHER IN THE ORDINANCE.

I WOULD PREFER YOU JUST VOTE AGAIN ON THAT.

THEN YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY SIDE EVALUATION.

>> ON E3, CAN I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> A MOTION.

>> CAN I HAVE A SECOND?

>> ALL IN FAVOR, AYE? ANY OPPOSED? NONE OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES.

ON E4, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION. SECOND?

>> NONE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

>> SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE.

>> ON E3, CAN I GET A FIRST?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

>> MOTION CARRIES. ON E4, CAN I GET A FIRST?

>> ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIES.

THANKS. LET'S MOVE ON TO E2,

[E.2. ORD-988 Conduct a public hearing and consider approving Ordinance 988 adopting a PD Site Plan of an approximately 5.5-acre portion of Planned Development District 3, Planning Area 9 (PD3-9), established by Ordinance 315. The PD Site Plan is for “Pin Stack” to be located along Parish Lane west of State Highway170; and take appropriate action (Ron Ruthven, Director of Planning and Development) (Part 1 of 2)]

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER APPROVING ORDINANCE 980, ADOPTING A PD SITE PLAN, APPROXIMATELY 5.5 ACRES PORTION OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 3, PLANNING AREA PD3-9, ESTABLISHING ORDINANCE 315, PD SITE TO BE LOCATED ALONG PARISH LANE, WEST OF STATE HIGHWAY 170, AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.

THEN CAN WE BUNDLE THIS ONE WITH THE FIRST TWO?

>> SINCE E1 IS ACTUALLY ZONING, WE SHOULD PROBABLY KEEP THEM SEPARATE.

>> WE'LL KEEP IT SEPARATE.

>> WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THAT FIRST.

ALTHOUGH, WE CAN COMBINE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS IF YOU LIKE.

[E.1. ORD-987 Conduct a public hearing and consider approving Ordinance 987 adopting an amendment to Ordinance 315, Article Two, Section One - Land Use Schedule, allowing the listed use of “Commercial Amusement (Inside)” as a permitted use within the “Retail” and “Mixed-Use” sub-areas, as described and depicted in Ordinance 315; and take appropriate action (Ron Ruthven, Director Planning)]

>> WHAT WAS E1 THEN? CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER APPROVING ORDINANCE 987, ADOPTING AMENDMENT 315, ARTICLE 2, SECTION 1, LAND USE SCHEDULE, ALLOWING THE ILLICIT USE OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE AS A PERMANENT USE WITHIN THE RETAIL AND MIXED USE SUB AREAS AS DESCRIBED IN THE ORDINANCE 315, AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.

PLANNING & ZONING, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO LEAVE, YOU GUYS CAN.

IF YOU GUYS ALREADY APPROVED ALL THESE THINGS, NOT NEED TO STAY.

WE DIDN'T APPROVE THE MINUTES. DO I NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING?

>> MOTION TO ADJOURN.

>> WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AT THE NEXT P&Z MEETING.

>> P&Z WILL ADJOURN. THANK YOU.

>> MOTION.