[A. CALL TO ORDER]
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OKAY. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE COMMISSIONERS.
SO LET'S START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
OKAY, RON, HOW DO WE WANT TO PROCEED ON THIS? SO. MENTION WE WANT TO DO THE CITIZENS COMMENTS.
[C. CITIZEN COMMENTS]
OKAY. ALL RIGHT.YOU ADDRESS THIS A YEAR AGO, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR.
I LIVE ON 1904 GAILLARDIA COURT, NORTH PART OF VAQUERO.
SO LOOKING OUT MY BACK WINDOW, I'D BE LIVED NEXT DOOR TO THE [INAUDIBLE].
THEY WILL REALLY HAVE A BAD [INAUDIBLE] BIG WINDOWS LIKE THAT.
WE'VE TALKED TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS IN OUR PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE THOUGHT THIS THING WAS DEAD LAST YEAR.
SO I KNOW TONIGHT IS JUST DISCUSSION.
WE JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW AND PASS ALONG THAT WE ARE.
AGAINST THIS. THERE IS NEW TECHNOLOGY COMING ON.
THERE'S OTHER TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE.
THERE'S NO NEED TO PUT [INAUDIBLE] CELL TOWER.
RIGHT OUT THE BACK WINDOW OF ONE OF.
NOT JUST US IT WILL AFFECT THE SOUTHWEST PART OF GRANADA, THE NORTH [INAUDIBLE] PART OF.
ANYWAY, ALL EVERYBODY'S GOING TO SEE IT, SO WE DON'T NEED IT.
OTHER ALTERNATIVES. I JUST WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER FILLING THIS.
IF IT IS GOING TO COME UP LATER FOR A VOTE, WE SO. SEVERAL OF US ALSO LIVE IN VAQUERO.
I'M ON THE BOARD OF VAQUERO, SO.
YEAH. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
I COULDN'T BELIEVE WHEN IT FIRST POPPED UP A YEAR AGO.
THIS GOT SIGNED IN THE DARK OF NIGHT KIND OF GOT PUSHED ON AND SOME ADMINISTRATORS FROM THE TOWN THAT NO LONGER HERE, I THINK, HELPED PUSH IT THROUGH AND NOBODY IT'S BEEN HARD TO FIND A DIRECT LINE OF HOW THIS HAPPENED, BUT.
DID SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO KILL IT IS FIRST HERE AND OF COURSE, THE CITY COUNCIL.
KILL IT HERE AND BE DONE WITH IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ON BEHALF OF NORTH PART OF AKHIRO.
[D. STAFF/DIRECTOR REPORT AND DEVELOPMENT UPDATE]
STAFF UPDATE RON AND RON, I KNOW IT'S BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT YOU'RE RETIRING SOON.I THINK THIS IS YOUR LAST OFFICIAL MEETING WITH US.
AS A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE DOING OUR BEST, I THINK, TO NAVIGATE, YOU KNOW, CALL IT THE GOVERNANCE, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND WE WILL MISS YOU.
YEAH. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE SERVING YOU GUYS AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO IF I DIDN'T HAVE RON'S, YOU KNOW, CHEAT SHEET NOTES HERE.
I'D PROBABLY BE PLEDGING ALLEGIANCE TO THE RON STATE OR COUNTRY.
WELL, THANK YOU. JUST TO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE.
MY LAST DAY WILL BE FRIDAY HERE ON OF WESTLAKE.
WE ARE A LITTLE BIT SHORT STAFFED RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
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SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR PATIENCE WITH US.BUT AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE SERVING YOU GUYS.
JUST TO PROVIDE SOME BRIEF KIND OF MY LAST LITTLE UPDATE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND TOWN BEFORE I TAKE OFF DUTCH BROTHERS OUT THERE BY THE QUIKTRIP AND THE BECKS LIQUOR STORE.
BUT IN THEIR HOOPS THEY ARE READY TO GO.
WE ISSUED THE PERMIT FOR THE END STACK AND THEY ARE BLOWING AND GOING OUT THERE AS WELL.
THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPEN BY MARCH NEXT YEAR.
THEY MAY BE DONE BEFORE THAT AT THE RATE THEY'RE GOING.
SO THEY'RE GOING REALLY FAST ON THAT PROJECT.
OF COURSE, DELOITTE, AS YOU'VE NOTICED, HAS FIVE TOWER CRANES UP OUT THERE.
WE'RE DOING SOMETIMES 20 INSPECTIONS A DAY OUT SITE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH ACTIVITY AND SO MUCH.
A LIFETIME FITNESS WILL BE FROM COMPLETING THEIR CONSTRUCTION, PROBABLY IN ABOUT ANOTHER MONTH.
MONTH AND A HALF. STILL LOOKING TO OPEN AROUND 4TH OF JULY.
SO THEY'RE PUTTING ALL THE FINISHING TOUCHES ON THAT BUILDING AND THAT SHOULD BE OPEN VERY SOON.
SO AND THEN GETTING INTO THE PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT, OF COURSE, WE HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
WE'RE. PROS OF REVIEWING ALL THAT RIGHT NOW.
THE COPA CLUB, THE RESTAURANT THAT'S THE FIRST RESTAURANT THAT WILL PROBABLY BE OPEN OUT THERE.
A LOT OF WORKERS OUT THERE CLOSE TO.
AS SOON AS A MONTH FROM NOW WHEN THAT OPENS.
SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN WESTLAKE.
THAT'S JUST A SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.
SO IF NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS I CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT.
ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT ITEM IS SORRY, YOU SHOULD INTRODUCE THIS.
[E. 24-121 Discussion regarding proposed cellular tower at 2000 West Dove Road (Westlake Fire Station Site)]
YES. AGENDA ITEM E1 DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PROPOSED CELLULAR TOWER AT 2000 WEST DOVE ROAD.BEHIND THE WESTLAKE FIRE STATION SITE.
I SAW THERE WAS A LENGTHY DOCUMENT SENT TO US BUT HAPPY TO SEE A STAFF PRESENTATION.
THIS GOES BACK TO 2018 WHEN THIS WAS FIRST DISCUSSED FOR THIS SITE.
BUT THERE WAS ACTUALLY AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN VERTICAL BRIDGE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE OPERATOR.
THEY ARE THE APPLICANT, BELL TOWER AND THE TOWN.
THEN THEY'LL BE PAID A LEASE AMOUNT, A MONTHLY LEASE AMOUNT.
BUT THEY HAVE TO GET AN SUP APPROVED WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN AN.
BUT ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS OF THAT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND VERTICAL BRIDGE IS IF THE APPLICATION IS DENIED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL, IT TERMINATES THE CONTRACT. SO WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY COMING FORWARD WITH THE SUP JUST TO KIND OF GET THIS OFF.
WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON ALL THIS AND KIND OF GAUGE DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND JUST GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM YOU? FORWARD. SO LET ME JUST GO THROUGH THIS IS THE GRAPHIC YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
WHERE THE SITE, IS BEHIND THE FIRE STATION, KIND OF UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE'RE NOT SEEING THIS ON OUR MONITORS.
IT SHOWS WHERE. RIGHT UP AGAINST THE FIDELITY PROPERTY LINE.
THE FIRE STATION SITE AND THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
IT'S A TOTAL OF 134FT FROM VERY TOP TO BOTTOM.
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ARCHITECT. BUT THIS IS WHAT THE ACTUAL TOWER WOULD LOOK LIKE AND THERE'S OTHER GRAPHICS IN YOUR THAT KIND OF SHOW HOW IT WOULD LOOK FROM DIFFERENT ROADWAY VANTAGE POINTS.SO THERE ARE A LOT OF WAIVERS REQUESTED FOR THIS ONE TO SETBACKS.
THE TOWER HAS TO BE TO MEET ALL THE SETBACKS ON THE SITE.
THERE'S A 25 FOOT SETBACK OFF OF FIDELITY.
THEY WOULD WANT A WAIVER FROM THAT.
ALSO THE HEIGHT, THE MAX HEIGHT AND OUR CELL TOWER ORDINANCE.
THEY WANT TO GO OBVIOUSLY ABOVE THAT TO 130.
THAT'S BASICALLY 260 PLUS FEET VAQUERO ZONING DISTRICT BOUNDARY FROM THE ACTUAL TOWER SITE.
[INAUDIBLE]. THERE ARE SEVERAL WAIVERS THAT THEY'D BE REQUESTING AS PART OF THIS REQUEST.
OF COURSE, THAT WAS ALWAYS KNOWN GOING INTO THE ACTUAL EARLY DISCUSSIONS ON THE CELL TOWER SITE, THERE HAD BEEN DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AND DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT HAD BEEN BOUNCED BACK AND FORTH.
WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO KIND OF ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU.
IS IT TO BE THE EXACT SAME THING? NEXT MONTH.
THIS IS REALLY A DISCUSSION ITEM [INAUDIBLE] STAFF.
QUESTIONS, YOU MIGHT. SO THE PICTURES ARE WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE AND IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE A STEALTH CELL TOWER, WHICH IS, I THINK THE CATEGORY THIS FITS INTO, IT'S ANYTHING BUT STEALTH AND I BEING ON THE BOARD AT VAQUERO.
THIS TOPIC HAS COME UP BEFORE.
I KNOW THE HOMEOWNERS, ESPECIALLY THE HOMEOWNERS OVER BY THE BLUE SKY GATE, ARE JUST VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO WAKING UP EVERY DAY AND LOOKING OUT AT THIS TOWER.
DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF COMMITMENT WITH THIS COMPANY TO GO FORWARD WITH ANYTHING AT ALL? I MEAN, WHAT IS OUR THE COMMITMENT IS JUST THAT IF IT WHAT SEALS THE CONTRACT BASICALLY AND THERE IS AN APPROVED CONTRACT AND CONTRACT BETWEEN VERTICAL BRIDGE AND THE TOWN.
BUT WHAT SEALS THE DEAL, SO TO SPEAK, IS THE APPROVAL.
SO IF THE SUP IS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL, THAT THEN SEALS THE TO MOVE FORWARD LONG TERM WITH THE.
SO IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS SUP ARE THEY STILL THE ONES WHO WOULD WE WOULD HAVE TO SEND THEM BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND SAY, OKAY, THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY CELL PHONE COVERAGE IN THERE, OR HOW WOULD THAT.
BUT YOU DON'T THINK THE TOWN SHOULD BE INVOLVED WITH THIS IN A CONTRACTUAL BASIS? YOUR RECOMMENDATION [INAUDIBLE]. THOSE POINTS.
BECAUSE ESPECIALLY I MEAN, IF THEY DON'T DO IT, I MEAN, AS FAR AS LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES FROM NEIGHBORING TOWNS, AS FAR AS HOW THEY DEAL WITH THE CELL PHONE COVERAGE, FOR INSTANCE, THE INTEGRATING CELL PHONE, LITTLE CELL PHONE ANTENNAS WITHIN LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, DISGUISING IT AND PROVIDING A MORE OF A DIRECT CELL PHONE COVERAGE VERSUS YOU KNOW, HAVING TO HAVE GIANT TOWERS.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S BECAUSE WE GET AND JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HOW TALL IS BY STARBUCKS? HOW TALL IS THE BELL TOWER? ABOUT [INAUDIBLE]. OKAY, SO 130, 130FT.
THAT'S ANOTHER STARBUCKS BELL TOWER0 BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ESSENTIALLY.
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MR. JORDAN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT BEST PRACTICE OR AS FAR AS WHAT OTHER TOWNS ARE BEST AND OTHER DESIGNS, RIGHT.WE STARTED THIS IN ACTUALLY ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO.
THERE WAS A COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE GAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
SO WE UNDERSTAND IN ORDER TO COMPLETELY COVER OUR TOWN, GREAT CELL PHONE COVERAGE.
IF WE WANT ALL DECORATIVE POLES THROUGHOUT TOWN, IT'S ABOUT A $9 MILLION PROJECT.
IF WE'RE WILLING TO JUST PUT UP 30 FOOT BLACK CYLINDER POLES THROUGHOUT TOWN, IT TAKES ABOUT 39 OF THEM, SPECIFICALLY LOCATED IN TOWN, THAT'S ABOUT 1.8 $1.9 MILLION.
SO THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE AND IF WE OWN THE POLES AND WHERE I'M AT THE STICKING POINT RIGHT NOW WITH AT&T IS I DON'T WANT TO PAY THEM TO PUT IN THE POLES IF THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE ALL THE MONEY OFF OF IT.
RIGHT. SO IF WE PAY FOR THE POLES TO BE INSTALLED, THEN WE'RE CHARGING AT&T GENERALLY LIKE FOR CELL PHONE ANTENNAS ON A LARGE POLE LIKE THIS, ABOUT A $30,000 A YEAR CONTRACT PER ANTENNA AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT CARRIERS HERE WITH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE AS [INAUDIBLE] FIVE.
SO THIS SPECIFIC HOUR WE GET A VERY SMALL AMOUNT.
CONTRACTOR. OFF OF THE CELLULAR PROVIDERS.
RIGHT, SO WE AS WESTLAKE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
SO WE GET THE VISUAL IMPACT BUT NO REVENUE TO SPEAK OF REVENUE.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY AND IF WE GO WITH A DIFFERENT ROUTE TO MR. CHRISTENSEN'S. COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY, DIFFERENT SIZE POOL, POTENTIALLY MORE OF THEM.
IT'S NOT ONLY NO VISUAL IMPACT, BUT THEN WE HAVE A HIGHER REVENUE STREAM TO THE TOWN.
THAT'S THE ONLY OUT OF THAT CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE IS THE DENIAL OF THE.
WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS WITH THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR GOVERNING IDEAS IN WESTLAKE IS PRESERVING OUR VIEW CORRIDORS AND PUTTING THIS 134 FOOT TOWER DIRECTLY IN THE CENTRAL MOST PORTION OF TOWN, IT RUINS OUR VIEW CORRIDORS FROM EVERY PORTION OF TOWN.
I MEAN, NOT JUST DRIVING UP AND DOWN DOVE AND DAVIS, BUT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT FROM ALMOST ANY NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO I THINK THAT FOR ME, I THINK IS A REALLY IT DOESN'T FIT OUR REQUIREMENTS OR OUR CONCERNS IN TERMS OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WELL, WHEN YOU COUPLE THAT WITH THERE ARE COMPETING TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE A BETTER SOLUTION, THAT ARE MORE STEALTH AND REPRESENT MORE REVENUE POTENTIAL FOR THE TOWN, IT SEEMS LIKE AN OVERWHELMING BURDEN.
SO ARE THE CHOICES WE WOULD HAVE.
THE TWO WOULD IF WE, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND OUR THE WAY OUR GOVERNANCE WORKS IS IF WE AS A P&Z TURN IT DOWN, IT WOULD STILL GO FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL FOR A VOTE.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO ULTIMATELY VOTE IT DOWN.
IF WE TABLE IT, IT WOULD NOT GO FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL.
CORRECT. AND IF WE TABLE IT THAT ALL IT DOES IS ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK LATER THEN RIGHT.
I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND TABLING THIS ONLY BECAUSE OF THAT CONTRACTUAL OKAY BETWEEN THE APPLICANT COUNCIL AND FOUND THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD AND SO THIS WILL COME BEFORE US NEXT MONTH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? I THINK WE'RE CLEAR.
[F.1. 24-115 Conduct a public hearing and consider recommending approval of a Preliminary Site Evaluation for the Solana Hills Addition]
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.CONSIDER RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY SITE EVALUATION FOR THE SOLANA HILLS ADDITION.
I THINK MY NUMBER ONE QUESTION WAS IS A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION.
THERE WAS IS THERE ANY REALLY MATERIAL CHANGE TO THE LAYOUT SINCE IT WAS LAST BEFORE THIS BOARD?
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THERE ARE SOME SLIGHT CHANGES TO THE PRELIMINARY SITE EVALUATION, WHICH THE PD JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR.THE PD ZONING DOES ALLOW FOR VERY MINOR MODIFICATIONS.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT AS FAR AS COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING GOES, IS THAT THE GENERAL LAYOUT BE THE SAME.
OBVIOUSLY THE OPEN SPACE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS IS NOT EXCEED OPEN SPACE, NOT REDUCED AND TOTAL LOTS NOT EXCEEDED. BUT THEY HAVE MADE SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE DISTRIBUTION OF TYPES OF LOTS THEY HAVE IN THEIR HOW THE STREETS ARE LAID OUT THINGS LIKE THAT.
I HAVE NO CONCERNS WITH IT AND DOING IT, HOWEVER IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS APPROVED.
DO YOU MIND POINTING OUT WHAT THOSE MINOR CHANGES ARE? JUST SO WE'RE AWARE, AND I'LL ASK IN ADVANCE, AS REPRESENTATIVE FOR TERRI HERE, THAT UTILITIES REMAINED.
OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THE ROADS.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION PLANS YET, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH.
YEAH. I'M JUST PRE COVERING YOUR THUNDER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE MY LASER POINTER HERE.
OPEN SPACE HAS CHANGED JUST A LITTLE BIT.
THERE'S YOU'VE GOT LITTLE OPEN SPACE CORRIDORS HERE THAT DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
THIS SPACE IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
MOST PRELIMINARY SITE EVALUATION EVALUATIONS WE GET DON'T EVEN HAVE STREET NAMES ON THEM.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REVIEW THOSE.
WE'LL PIN THOSE DOWN LATER ON.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PD ORDINANCE THAT WE WILL OBVIOUSLY, WHEN THE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION PLANS COME IN AND THE FINAL PLAT COMES IN.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO NAIL DOWN MORE SPECIFICS AS TO WHAT THE FINAL.
RON, I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE ORIGINAL PLOT.
THERE WAS GUEST PARKING BEHIND THE TOWNHOMES.
NOT SEEING THAT ON, IS IT STILL THERE? THEY IT DOESN'T SHOW ON THE PRELIMINARY SITE EVALUATION, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN ONE OF THOSE OPEN SPACE LOTS.
BY THE WAY, THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE.
WEIGH IN ON IT. YEAH, YOU CAN.
I THINK I STILL SEE IT ON THE COLOR RENDERING.
WELL, THAT'S NOT THE ACCURATE.
YEAH. IT'S THE PARKING IS STILL BACK THERE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT ON HERE SINCE THIS IS THE PLOT.
JUST GOING TO SHOW THOSE PLOT BOUNDARIES.
BUT THE PARKING IS STILL IN THE REAR.
GETTING A SIMILAR NUMBER OF PARKING FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
SO HAS THE NUMBER OF TYPE C PATIO HOMES BEEN DECREASED.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE ON THE EXACT SPLIT ON THE UNIT TYPES.
I WILL SAY ONE OF THOSE BIG CHANGES WAS COMING UP FROM SAM'S SCHOOL ROAD.
THAT ROAD THAT'S KIND OF ON THE SOUTH SIDE, RIGHT? WE'VE KIND OF ADJUSTED THAT TO BETTER WORK WITH THE GRADE.
I THINK THERE WERE SOME LOTS THERE [INAUDIBLE] THE BEST.
SO TRYING TO KIND OF SPREAD SOME THINGS OUT AND GIVE SOME MORE ROOMS THAT HAVE SOME MORE ABILITY WITHIN THE LOT TO DEAL WITH AND I DEFINITELY THINK LIKE THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT ON THOSE LOTS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH LARGER THAN THEY WERE, WHICH IS GREAT.
UNDERSTOOD. IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THE BLOCK B.
THOSE FRONTS WILL BE FACING THAT PARK AREA AND THE BACK.
LOOP. CARS WILL BACK INTO THAT.
WILL THERE BE? SET BACK FROM THE BUILD LINE TO AND THE REASON IS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY WHENEVER I GO THROUGH RADA AND LOOK AT.
SEVERAL GARAGES THERE AND PUSHING A STROLLER.
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ONLY A 24 [INAUDIBLE].WE'RE 30, AREN'T WE? HERE. THAT THIS IS A FIRE LANE.
[INAUDIBLE]. I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS LAST TIME.
OR THE [INAUDIBLE] NOT CONCERNED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF SEPARATION FROM.
IS THERE ANY REAR SETBACK TO THOSE? SO THE ALLEY IN THE REAR IS.
BACK. WE'VE SEEN THIS IN DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE IF THERE IS A DRIVEWAY, ESPECIALLY ON THE BACKSIDE OF AN ALLEY, IF IT'S WIDENED, IF IT'S DEEP ENOUGH THAT SOMEONE, THEY CAN PARK THERE, THEY WILL AND THEN IT BACKS OUT INTO THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC LANES THEMSELVES.
SO I THINK THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THAT A BIT CLOSER TO THE IDEA OF HAVING A PARKING, HAVING A CAR BE SITTING IN THAT DRIVEWAY AND IMPEDING LANES. BACK.
AS FAR AS WALKING BACK THERE, PART OF THAT IS THE REAR.
SO MAJORITY OF THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WILL BE AT THE FRONT IN THAT.
YEAH AND WITH IT BEING REALLY JUST I'VE, I DON'T HAVE AS BIG A CONCERN.
BUT I STILL HAVE A CONCERN ON.
BECAUSE I LIVE IN ONE OF THESE HOUSES AND I HAVE GUESTS COME OVER.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO PARK IN PARKING PROVIDED BEHIND THE HOUSE.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER PUTTING PARKING UP JUST PARALLEL PARKING ALONG THAT OPEN AREA? BLOCK B? 30 FOOT ROAD THERE, WOULD YOU CONSIDER PARALLEL PARKING ALONG THAT SIDE? YES. PARKING FOR THOSE SMALLER HOMES ON BOTH SIDES.
REALLY. WE COULD DISCUSS WITH THE DEVELOPER TO IF THE POSSIBILITY.
SO I THINK IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO PROVIDE SOME PARKING TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THOSE RESIDENCES.
BLOCK B. YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE.
WITH THE GRADING AND PAVING. BY THE WAY, THE REAR SETBACK IS.
THAT TOO. I THINK THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED IT, ORIGINALLY IT WAS 24 FOOT ALLEY.
IT WAS INCREASED TO 30 BECAUSE OF THE OBJECTION, BUT IT DID HAVE PARKING.
THEY ARE PRELIMINARY. I THINK THE COMMENTS WAS TO PROVIDE SOME STREET NAMES.
SURE, THEY'RE NOT SET IN STONE.
WERE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS? OTHER MEMBERS. I GUESS I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT LOT ON BLOCK C, WHERE THERE'S SOME KIND OF A PUBLIC AREA IN THE FRONT, AND THERE'S JUST THAT LITTLE TEENY PIECE THAT TOUCHES THE ROADWAY.
IS THERE JUST GOING TO BE LIKE A EASEMENT OR SOMETHING FOR THE DRIVEWAY FOR THAT? OR IT THE OR DOES IT TOUCH THE LOT LOT THREE X THAT'S THERE.
IT'S SO SMALL. LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND THE.
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LOT 19 AND BLOCK C IS WHAT I'M.IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY TOUCH THE ROADWAY AT ALL.
YEAH. SO THERE WOULD BE SOME DRIVEWAY RIGHT OFF.
SO THAT WILL THAT HAVE I MEAN IT'S SHOWING THAT THE LOT DOESN'T ACTUALLY TOUCH THE WILL THAT JUST BE LIKE, YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS IN THIS ITERATION, THERE WAS AN IDEA OF TRYING TO GET SOME PARKING DRIVES TO.
BUT THERE IS THE OPTION OF STILL HAVING AND THEN THAT LOT 20 X IS JUST GOING TO BE LIKE GREEN SPACE OR LIKE A GREEN SPACE, WALKABLE TRAIL TO KIND OF GET FROM THAT UPPER PLATEAU BOTTOM AND THEN FROST.
AND THEN I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION.
JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TYPOGRAPHIC CHANGE IN HERE, HOW IS THE GRADING WORKING OUT IN TERMS OF THE RETAINING WALLS? THAT WAS A CONCERN WE HAD IN THE BEGINNING.
YEAH, I THINK THE PLAN WAS STILL TO AVOID THOSE RETAINING WALLS JUST KIND OF GRAYED BACK OUT AND THEN AS PART OF THE FINAL CIVILS, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT CAN BE DONE TO BETTER SET UP THESE HOMES FOR KIND OF THAT LOT GRADING.
SO THERE ARE IT IS A CHALLENGING SITE.
SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET VERY UNIQUE WITH IT TO KIND OF SET IT UP TO.
RIGHT. THE SMALL LOT ACROSS FROM LOT B.
I ASSUME THOSE WILL BE UP FRONT.
THERE'S NOT AN ALLEY BEHIND, SO THEY'LL OBVIOUSLY HAVE GARAGES IN THE FRONT.
CORRECT. IS THERE ANY SETBACK ON THOSE ROADS? OR THAT PRODUCT.
DIDN'T SEE [INAUDIBLE] BELIEVE THAT'S THE TYPE C.
IT HAS AN ALLEY SETBACK, BUT I DON'T SEE AN ALLEY.
ROAD. BUT THERE'S NO [INAUDIBLE] SETBACK.
SPECIFY. YOUR CONCERN WOULD BE THE SAME AS BACKING [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE HERE THEY ARE BACKING.
RIGHT. WHAT WILL BE A STREET THAT WILL HAVE.
YEAH. ON THIS OLD ITERATION IT SAYS ZERO FEET FROM ALLEY.
BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE THE LOOP WAS DIFFERENT THEN.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S STILL VALID OR NOT.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE A FRONT SETBACK? MOST BACKING.
ONE THING, TOO. THAT'S PART OF THE DEPARTMENT.
GUIDELINES. THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
BY THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL COMMITTEE.
SOMETIMES THOSE DO A BETTER JOB OF FILLING IN GAPS THAT WE HAVE, THINGS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY.
THAT'S GOING TO COME FORWARD TO FROM THE DEVELOPER.
THAT'LL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
I PINNED THAT DOWN. PART OF THAT PROCESS.
SO ON THE PRELIMINARY VERSUS THE FINAL.
SO THERE'S STILL SOME CONCERNS HERE.
HOW DO WE RECONCILE THE PRELIMINARY WITH THE CONCERNS? IN TERMS OF VOTING THIS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU APPROVE THIS BECAUSE IT'S.
COMPLIES WITH THE ZONING AND IT'S REALLY A PLAT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A PLAT.
IT IS, WHAT IT IS. SO IT HAS TO FOLLOW WHAT THE STATE GUIDELINES OF PLAT APPROVALS.
THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR PLANNING PURPOSES.
SO WHEN THE FINAL PLAT COMES FORWARD, THEN WE'LL HAVE THE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION SET.
I THINK THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE GIVEN THE DEVELOPER IS VERY.
YEAH, THEY WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS WELL.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THAT FEEDBACK OUT.
IS THERE, HEARING CONCERNS ABOUT SETBACKS PARKING.
BUT ADDITIONAL PARKING TOO FOR GUESTS.
YEAH, I JUST HAVE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE VERIFY THAT THAT WAS STILL ON THIS PLOT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SHOWN BECAUSE IT'S JUST IN THE PUBLIC AREA.
REALLY THIS IS JUST KIND OF GETTING US THE PRELIMINARY LAYOUT BEFORE WE GET THE CIVIL SETS IN.
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WE'RE ALSO GOING TO GET A LANDSCAPE PLAN AS WELL.THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST PASS AT IT POST.
BUT AGAIN, THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN.
THAT. I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT.
SO ON THE SOUTH EAST CORNER, THOSE TWO LOTS.
NOW THERE'S LIKE A TRIANGULAR LOT AND LIKE A LONG IS THAT A HOME LOT THAT.
LOT 14 OR WHATEVER IN THAT CORNER.
THAT ONE I THINK IS A LITTLE ODD.
I MEAN, I THINK ALL THE OTHER LOTS I THINK WERE AN IMPROVEMENT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE DIMENSIONS ARE OF THAT? I DON'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO. IT WAS ONE BEFORE, RIGHT? YEAH. I WOULD SAY THAT'S MY ONLY ONE I HAVE A CONCERN WITH IS THAT'S A I DON'T IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY USEFUL IN TERMS OF THE WAY THAT IT'LL BE BUILT OUT, BUT. HAS TO BE A LOT LIKE A SHOTGUN HOUSE.
LONG, SKINNY. SEE THOSE A LOT ON CUL DE SAC LOTS WHERE RANGE LOTS OF ALMOST FUNNEL INTO A SMALL.
FAN OUT. WELL, THAT ONE DOESN'T FAN OUT AT ALL THOUGH.
THAT ONE JUST IS LONG AND NARROW.
WE'VE SQUEEZED AN EXTRA LOT IN THERE.
YEAH, WE. YEAH, THAT'S REALLY STRANGE, RIGHT? AT FIRST, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS EITHER.
SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO SEE IF YOU CAN REWORK THOSE 2, BECAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT COULD GO THERE EXACTLY.
BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW IF THE DIMENSIONS WERE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S JUST A REALLY LONG YARD, BUT IT SEEMS A LITTLE, THOSE ROADS. 30FT.
YEAH AND UNDERSTAND THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE US MANY TIMES, BUT IT KEEPS CHANGING.
YEAH. SO IT WILL PROBABLY CHANGE A FEW MORE TIMES.
IT'S LIKE THOSE LITTLE TWEAKS.
WE'RE CONSISTENT IN OUR COMMENTS, BUT THE LOTS KEEP CHANGING.
IT'S LIKE THAT HIDDEN PICTURES LIKE WHAT'S CAN YOU SPOT THE DIFFERENCES RIGHT? YEAH, NO I DO I LIKE A LOT.
I LOVE HOW THOSE LOTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE HAVE GOTTEN BIGGER.
EXCEPT I'M A LITTLE QUESTIONABLE ABOUT THAT LAST ONE, BUT.
SO, RON, HOW MUCH LIKE IF WE APPROVE THIS NOW, HOW MUCH VARIABILITY CAN THEY STILL MAKE ON THESE LOT LINES? OH, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO.
BUT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO MODIFICATIONS TO BOARD.
REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THINGS.
THAT'S WHERE THOSE PLOT LINES BECOME.
OKAY. ONCE WE GET THAT, WE'LL.
THAT'S USUALLY WHAT YOU WANT. THE FINAL PLAT.
YEAH. HE'S RIGHT. THERE'S STILL SOME DETAIL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE A THOUGHT ABOUT A QUESTION IN THERE.
AND FOR THIS AGAIN, THE BLOCK B SPACE AREA WITH THE TOWNHOMES.
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AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD DO PARALLEL PARKING, PULLING AND PULL OUT AND THEN WORKING WITH THE GREEN SPACE PARKING VERSUS FIRST ONES THEY DIDN'T HAVE DIDN'T HAVE GARAGES, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS IS A STANDARD FOR THE I MEAN, THIS IS A NORMAL TOWNHOME WHERE YOU GET AROUND BEHIND IT TO GARAGE ACCESSES LIKE THAT.YEAH, THEY'LL BE WAY TO BUILD IT AND DO IT.
WE'RE IN THERE AND THEN THEY HAVE BECAUSE ALL THE.
YEAH THE PARKING SPOTS AND THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE GARAGES.
YOU KNOW, DRIVING BEHIND THE HOME TO PARK.
YOU COULD PULL IN THE FRONT, HAVE FANCY GARAGE DOORS, AND INSTEAD OF WASTING, YOU KNOW, HAVING A LOT OF SPACE IN THE BACK THAT YOU'VE GOT TO PULL AROUND IN THE BACK AND DO FIVE POINT TURNS, GET IN AND OUT OF THE GARAGES IN THE BACK.
THE CASE OF THESE, THEY'RE I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THE GARAGES.
BUT WITH. THAT? PROBABLY. I GUESS I MISSED.
SO IT'S SIMILAR, BUT THE PROJECT CONTINUES TO CHANGE SLIGHTLY.
YEAH. SO I'M STILL HEARING CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING, CONCERNS ABOUT SETBACK POTENTIALLY ON THE TOWNHOME, THE MORE DENSER PRODUCT IN THE BACK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS? OTHER THAN THAT. OKAY.
SO BASED ON THAT CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE.
ALL OPPOSED? NONE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.
I'M SORRY. I NEEDED TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.
SORRY. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. NO.
OKAY. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO I NEED TO REDO THE VOTE? I WILL MOTION OKAY.
ALL OPPOSED? NONE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.
OKAY. NOW I DID IT APPROPRIATELY.
ALL RIGHT, PRACTICE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THESE SHORT MEETINGS.
THAT'S IT. I DIDN'T LOOK AT MY NOTES BECAUSE I WAS.
[F.2. 24-117 Conduct a public hearing and consider recommending approval of amendments to Ordinance 720, as amended (which includes the development plan for the PD1-2 [Westlake Entrada] zoning district). The Westlake Entrada development includes 109.12 acres generally located east of Davis Blvd., south of State Highway 114, and north of Solana Blvd.]
AGENDA ITEM F2.CONSIDER RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF AMENDMENTS TO ORDINANCE 720, AS AMENDED, WHICH INCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PD1-2,, WESTLAKE AND TROTTA ZONING DISTRICT.
THE WESTLAKE AND TROTTA DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES 109.12 ACRES, GENERALLY LOCATED EAST OF DAVIS BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF STATE HIGHWAY 114 AND NORTH OF SOLANO BOULEVARD.
DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION? BUT YOU WANT TO GUIDE US THROUGH THIS.
WHAT THIS INVOLVES IS SPECIFIC TO LOCK UP ON THE GRAPHIC IN.
SO THIS IS JUST A 2.3 ACRE BLOCK IN ENTRADA.
SO THIS WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR KIND OF A MIX OF OFFICE AND.
RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THEN IT WAS AMENDED TO BASICALLY ACCOUNT FOR WHAT WAS GOING TO BE A BROAD SENSE OF MIXED USE TYPE DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT WAS GOING TO BE ACTUALLY A LUXURY KIND OF SPORTING CLUB WITH UNDERGROUND SHOOTING RANGE TYPE USES THAT WOULD BE IN LONG VAULTS.
THEN ON TOP WOULD BE RETAIL AND OTHER MIX OF USES THAT WAS APPROVED SEVERAL YEARS BACK OR CAME TO FRUITION NEVER HAPPENED.
THE SITE PLAN SUBSEQUENTLY EXPIRED, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN STILL SHOWS THE THAT USE.
BECAUSE IN ENTRADA SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN BASICALLY IS THE LAND USE PLAN TWO.
BUT TENDED FOR ASSESSING OR DOING PIT ASSESSMENTS TO PAY OFF THE PIT BONDS.
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SO THE SAP.HISTORICALLY HAVE NOT REALLY EVER BEEN TOO ALIGNED WITH EACH OTHER.
THERE'S A LONG GET INTO THAT TIME AS FAR AS TO WHY IT JUST THE WAY IT HAPPENED.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT A SITUATION WHERE.
IT ASAP. LINE UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN A.
SO RIGHT NOW IT SHOWS ALL OFFICE USES SAP DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWS L AND THE PRIVATE SPORTING CLUB. SO.
THEN ON THE OTHER END, THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER OFFICE BUILDING.
IN BETWEEN, YOU'D HAVE THE 12 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS HERE, SOME OPEN SPACE AND THEN HAVE SMALLER VILLA, SIX RESIDENTIAL VILLAS HERE. SO THESE WOULD BE STREET HERE, STREET HERE, GUEST PARKING HERE, AND ALSO JUST PARKING FOR IF ANYBODY WANTS TO USE ONE OF THESE OFFICES THEY COULD PARK HERE AND THEN ON SITE PARKING HERE.
BUT WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS STRICTLY THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE DETAILS THAT ARE IN THE SITE PLAN, ALTHOUGH YOU DO HAVE SOME EXHIBITS THAT SHOW WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE HACKETT.
THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN GETS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
THE SITE PLAN ONLY NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY TOWN STAFF.
SO I'M NOT GETTING TOO DEEP INTO THOSE DETAILS TONIGHT.
WHAT YOU'RE REALLY APPROVING TONIGHT IS WE WANT TO CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IT IS SOMEWHAT DETAILED IN TERMS OF IT IS AT ITS TRUE SCALE, AND IT GIVES YOU THE PROPER SCALE OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL LOOK LIKE AND THE MASSING OF THE HOW THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO LAY OUT AND EVERYTHING.
STILL HAVE TO PRETTY MUCH MATCH WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND IS GOING BACK TO THE PIT SAP.
IF THIS GETS APPROVED AS WELL, WE'D WANT TO WORK WITH THE PIT ADMINISTRATOR AS PART OF ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS FOR WHEN THE ANNUAL SAP UPDATE COMES THROUGH. GET THAT REFLECTED MATCH THE CHANGE TO THE.
I KNOW WE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.
QUESTIONS. I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION FIRST? YEAH, IT'S THIS IT.
AS THE DEVELOPER. SO THERE IS THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVES HERE THAT GET UP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HAVE. MORE DETAIL AS TO WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD AND DEVELOP.
AFTER THAT, I CAN ANSWER. OKAY.
HELPFUL TO HAVE A PRESENTATION.
YEAH. SO TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE 12 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS THAT ARE DETACHED.
THE WEST WE HAVE A POTENTIALLY A ONE STORY COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE WE HAVE A TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE WE HAVE.
SIX SINGLE FAMILY WITH DAYLIGHT BASEMENTS.
SO YOU'LL ACTUALLY ON THE LOTS ON THE LEFT SIDE OR THE RIGHT SIDE OF ROSES YOU'LL ENTER.
THE FRONT DOOR FROM THAT LEVEL, AND THEN 24 FOOT FIRE LANE THAT WILL ACCESS THAT REAR LOT THAT'S ON LOT SIX AND THEN ON.
YOU'LL SEE THE OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE EAST SIDE.
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SO IT'S SOMEWHAT CONCEPTUAL, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD.ID FRONT ELEVATION AND A LEFT ELEVATION FACES ANDORRA.
THAT'S. PRETTY MUCH THE GIST OF IT.
FIRST FLOOR LEVEL STONE, THEN A POP UP IN THE CENTER AND THEN ON THE LAST SHEET.
SOME OF THE UNIT SIZES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, RANGING AROUND 3000FT² FOR EACH VILLA.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT RIGHT NOW THIS IS ALL ZONED AS COMMERCIAL.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY RESIDENTIAL.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHAT? I MEAN, MOVING AWAY FROM COMMERCIAL, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT LEFT OF IN ENTRADA.
CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THE REASONING OF WHY YOU GUYS WANT TO SWITCH THIS TO RESIDENTIAL AWAY FROM COMMERCIAL USE? I KNOW THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR SOME SINGLE FAMILY LOTS THERE SO WORKING WITH THE OWNER.
GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. RAY MICKENS, THE OWNER.
I'LL SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO IT.
I'VE BEEN OUT HERE SINCE, WELL, JOINED THE CREW IN 2002 AND I'VE BEEN A WESTLAKE RESIDENT SINCE I FINISHED BUILDING MY HOME IN 2008, IN GLENWOOD FARMS. SO SAW THE CITY FROM WAY BACK IN 2002 UNTIL NOW.
GROW INTO A LOVELY PLACE, AND ACTUALLY, IT'S GROWN THE RIGHT WAY.
SO APPRECIATE THAT AND, I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT ENTRADA, THE DEVELOPMENT.
I SAW THAT FROM THE BEGINNING AS WELL.
SO, YES, I'M THE OWNER OF THIS THE BANK BUILDING.
SO THE WAY THIS CAME ABOUT YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, THE BUILDING IS PRETTY MUCH 90% LEASED.
THE BANK THAT I HAVE MY BUSINESS WITH WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP, AND THEY WANTED TO BUILD A BUILDING HERE IN WESTLAKE AND I HAVE MY OFFICES IN SOUTHLAKE, AND I WAS GOING TO MOVE TO WESTLAKE AS WELL.
SO THE BANK SAID, HEY, WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THIS TOGETHER? AND SO THAT'S HOW IT CAME ABOUT.
NOW THE OTHER THERE WAS TWO LOTS.
SO THE VILLA LOTS ARE ON THE TOP, THE BUILDING THE OFFICES ON THE BOTTOM.
SO THE UPPER LOT WHERE THE SIX VILLAS ARE WE FIRST LOOKED AT THAT LOT, AND FOR THAT LOT, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING NEEDED TO BE BIGGER THAN WHAT THE EXISTING BUILDING IS.
AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OFFICE SPACE TO FILL.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TENANTS TO FILL 20,000FT² OF OFFICE SPACE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
SO WE HAD ABOUT 7000 TO 8000FT² OF OFFICE SPACE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH LEASED UP AND SO WE WANTED TO RIGHT SIZE THE BUILDING AND SO RIGHT SIZING THE BUILDING MEANT TO MOVE IT TO A SMALLER LOT.
THAT MADE SENSE FOR THE BUILDING.
SO WE WANTED TO RIGHT SIZE THE OFFICE SPACE FOR MY OFFICE AND FOR THE BANK.
BY THE WAY, THEY WANT TO DO A LOT IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE WAITING TO GET OUT HERE AND LEASE SPACE RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY CAN GET ACTIVE AS FAR AS THE WESTLAKE ACADEMY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I MEET WITH THEM EVERY WEEK, BY THE WAY.
SO THAT BEING SAID, THE OTHER LOT NOW, THE BIGGER LOT THE USE FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE I FELT THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DO THE SMALLER VILLAS THERE AND I GOT WITH THE DEVELOPER THERE AND HE AGREED AND APPROVED THAT AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TO APPROVE THE OFFICE BUILDING WHERE IT IS TODAY.
AND THEN THE SMALLER VILLA LOTS TO THE NORTH OF IT OR, TO THE WEST OF IT.
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NORTHWEST OF IT. MY CONCERN WITH ENTRADA.I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE BANK BUILDING, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
IT'S OVER IN AN AREA THAT YOU WOULD PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK THE THING IS, THAT WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY LOOKED AT WAYS TO DEVIATE FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME AND FORTH TO THIS, THINGS DON'T GET DONE AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, CHANGING IN WHAT I SEE IN THE AREA, AND I'M SURE TERRY IS GOING TO GO INTO MUCH MORE DETAIL THAN ME, BUT I DON'T SEE THIS AS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
I SEE IT AS EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
IT'S A MIXED USE COMMERCIAL RETAIL AREA WHERE IT'S BEING EMBEDDED AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WHAT THIS HAS HAPPENED HERE IS WE'VE TAKEN THE EASY BUILD.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF LAND THAT'S BEEN SOLD THAT HASN'T BEEN BUILT ON AND SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH ALL THIS FULL DISCLOSURE THAT WE JUST KEEP CONTINUOUSLY MAKING EXCEPTIONS IN WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A CONCEPT BUILD AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE ANYWHERE NEAR WHAT THAT CONCEPT BUILD WAS. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO VOICE FROM A RESIDENTS PERSPECTIVE THAT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
SURE AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THAT THIS AS FAR AS IS IT BEING BUILT, THIS IS FULLY CASH AND IT'S ALREADY FINANCED.
SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS ALREADY A DONE.
AS FAR AS THE. THAT'S NOT MY CONCERN.
MY, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU'RE A WONDERFUL BUSINESS PERSON AND YOU HAVE IT ALL HANDLED.
MY CONCERN IS WHAT WE'RE DOING TO ENTRADA AND WHAT THE DEVELOPER AND PREVIOUS PEOPLE HAVE PRESENTED IT TO BE AND AS ONE OF THE EARLIER ADOPTERS, ALL I SEE IS CHANGE AND I DON'T SEE CONSISTENCY IN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SOLD AND I AM CONCERNED RON AND WADE ABOUT THE PID.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT WE RAN INTO ONCE BEFORE AND SO I KNOW THAT THERE WERE NO COMMENTS IN THIS SECTION HERE, BUT SOMETHING TELLS ME WE'RE AWAITING A RUDE AWAKENING AND BECAUSE IT HAPPENED BEFORE AND WE DIDN'T PREPARE FOR IT AND SO, AGAIN, IT NOTHING ABOUT YOU AS A BUSINESS PERSON. I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM BACK KNOWLEDGE AND THEN ALSO SEEING IT AS A PERSON THAT IS WATCHING A CONCEPT BUILD, NOT LIVE UP TO THE CONCEPT. [INAUDIBLE] THE OFFICE BUILDING THAT YOU OCCUPY.
I WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT WHERE THE SMALLER LOTS ARE.
BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHERE IT'S AT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO BIFURCATE, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL BACK TO RESIDENTIAL [INAUDIBLE] KIND OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE. THEY DON'T REALLY GO HAND IN HAND.
IF I WERE TO LOOK AT THIS AND I WOULD WANT TO MOVE THAT OFFICE WHERE THE SLOTS ARE.
LEEWAY OR 24 FOOT OR 30 FOOT, WHATEVER WIDTH ROAD IT IS, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SETBACK.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE FRONT, SIDE AND SETBACKS ON DETACHED HOMES.
I NOTICE ON THESE SIX HOMES THERE'S A THREE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK ON ONE AND A ZERO ON THE.
I GET IT. BUT THREE FOOT IS INADEQUATE.
YOU CAN'T GET. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A MINIMUM OF EIGHT FEET SEPARATION, HAVE A ZERO AND AN EIGHT FOOT SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
YOU CAN LOOK DOWN THE ROAD AND PREPARE FOR WHAT WILL EVENTUALLY.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN A SITE PLAN THAT 2.3.
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THAT [INAUDIBLE] ARE 20 FOOT WIDE.IF ENTRADA DEVELOPS OUT RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIALLY, THAT'S GOING TO BE GROSSLY.
SO THIS PLAN GIVES ME A LOT OF HEARTBURN, AND I'LL SUPPORT YOU ANY WAY I CAN.
ON THE RESIDENT I'M SORRY ON THE OFFICE, BUT I.
I AGREE THAT IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO DEVIATE FROM THE COMMERCIAL.
I MEAN, THE COMMERCIAL THAT YOU PUT FORWARD, I THINK SOUNDS EXTREMELY NICE, BUT TRYING TO, LIKE YOU SAID, NOW DEVIATE FROM THE GENERAL PLAN AND NOW TRY TO SQUEEZE IN, YOU KNOW, HIGH DENSITY.
KIND OF INTRODUCED WITH ENTRADA, AND WE FELT WE HAD PLENTY OF HIGH DENSITY FOR HIGH DENSITY.
THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE ALREADY, BECAUSE THAT WAS TO KIND OF LURE IN TO SUPPORT THAT COMMERCIAL RETAIL ASPECT IN THERE, WHICH IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO NEED AND I THINK, IF THE BUILDING THAT YOU HAVE IS FULLY YOU'VE GOT YOUR.
THE OCCUPANTS READY TO GO IN AND MOVE IN.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GIVE UP.
I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD GIVE UP AT THIS POINT.
THEY'RE TRYING TO ADD MORE HIGH DENSITY HOMES.
THIS DEVELOPMENT OR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT, WESTLAKE.
ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THIS IN THE HOUSING THERE IS THAT WE JUST, YOU KNOW, MADE A BIG SHIFT TO MOVE ALL THE RESIDENTIAL AWAY FROM THE FROM 114 WHEN WE ALLOWED THE SWITCH FOR THE CORELOGIC LAND AND ALLOWED THE DEVELOPMENT THERE.
AND SO TO PUT HOUSING DIRECTLY AGAINST 114 AGAIN, I THINK JUST DEFEATS THAT PURPOSE.
YOU KNOW, THE BANK AND THE COMMERCIAL.
THAT LOOKS AMAZING. I REALLY LIKE THAT AND WANT TO SUPPORT THAT.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, FURTHERING THAT CONCEPT AS WELL TO MAKE IT VERY INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL RETAIL, I THINK YOU WOULD BE VERY HOPE TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL'S TIME TODAY. THANK YOU.
. GOOD EVENING, MICHAEL BEATTY.
OWNER OF ENTRADA, 41, TEN RIVERWALK DRIVE, FLOWER MOUND, TEXAS.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I'D LIKE TO GO BACK A COUPLE OF STEPS AND THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE A FEW MINUTES AGO.
IT'S BEEN AVAILABLE FOR SALE AS COMMERCIAL MIXED USE FOR ALMOST TEN YEARS NOW.
IT WENT UNDER CONTRACT ONCE BEFORE AS THE HILL UNDERGROUND GUN RANGE CONCEPT.
THAT GENTLEMAN WASTED TWO YEARS OF OUR TIME.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE, PRESENTED TONIGHT, IS PART OF AN OVERALL BUILD OUT PLAN TO COMPLETE ENTRADA THAT WE INITIALLY SUBMITTED TO TOWN STAFF LAST SUMMER. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF TRYING TO GET TO SOME SORT OF JOINT WORKSHOP SESSION WITH P&Z AND COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ALL THESE CONCERNS AT ONCE, SO THAT THE POTENTIAL PURCHASERS OF THE PROPERTY IN ENTRADA THAT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND DEVELOP, LIKE ON THE BANK BUILDING AND THERE'S ANOTHER GENTLEMAN HERE FROM THE HOTEL, DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A 12 TO 18 MONTH PROCESS TO GO FROM WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT TO BEING ABLE TO SUBMIT A BUILDING PERMIT.
THOUGH I HAVE SIX DIFFERENT LISTING BROKERS ON DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS SITE ACTIVE TODAY, I'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN THINK OF TO BRING IN THIRD PARTY PEOPLE LIKE MR. MICKENS. HIGHLY QUALIFIED USER INTTO B1 BANK.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE BANK.
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THE PROBLEM BECOMES, IT TAKES SO LONG THAT PEOPLE LOSE INTEREST AND MOVE ON, OR GO DOWN THE STREET WHERE THEY CAN CLOSE IN 30 TO 90 DAYS LATER, THEY'RE SUBMITTING A BUILDING PERMIT. THE CONCEPT PLANS FOR ENTRADA THEY ARE NOW A DECADE OLD DID NOT WORK.DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO EXPLAIN IT.
THEY'VE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR SALE.
EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BUILD UNDER THE EB FIVE LOAN WE'VE BUILT, CONSTRUCTED.
I WAS TURNED DOWN ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO TO DO 6 OR 5 RESIDENTIAL CONDOS ON THE SECOND FLOOR NEXT TO STARBUCKS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IS IN THE PID SAP FOR THAT SITE. I WAS TURNED DOWN BY COUNCIL FOR THAT USE, AND NOW I'M TRYING TO FINISH JUST AS OFFICE SUITES AND LEASE IT UP FOR WHATEVER I CAN LEASE UP, BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO BE THERE BECAUSE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SECOND FLOOR CONDOS.
HOPEFULLY MR. BERNARD WILL HAVE MORE SUCCESS ON HIS BUILDING.
THE FACT THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WAS NOT A NEW USE.
IF YOU'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT 2013, EVERYTHING ALONG GERONA THERE WAS FEE SIMPLE SINGLE FAMILY.
THE ONLY TWEAK THAT WE HAVE ARE THE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT THE NORTH END.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN ASKED OF ME.
FROM KEY MEMBERS OF WESTLAKE, THE STAFF AND THE TOWN IS.
WHAT'S YOUR PLAN TO REALLY FINISH THIS PROJECT? AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING IN FRONT OF YOU HOPEFULLY IN JUNE WITH THAT COMPLETE PLAN.
THE FIRST PAGE IS DOWN HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE ZONING WAS WRITTEN VERY SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW ANY USE ANYWHERE ON THE SITE, AS ADJUSTED AND DIRECTED BY THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THERE WAS NEVER ONE PORTION OF ENTRADA THAT WAS JUST RESIDENTIAL.
THERE WAS NEVER ONE PORTION THAT WAS JUST COMMERCIAL.
THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL PHASE THREE AND PHASE THREE IS A LAND TO THE EAST WHERE WE TOOK 52 UNITS AWAY FROM THE HIGHWAY FRONTAGE, WHICH LOOKED PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION AND MOVED IT UP ON THE HILLSIDE BECAUSE YES, IT IS A BETTER PLACE FOR HOMES, BUT THE INITIAL INTENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT WAS ACTUALLY TO BE MORE DENSE THAN THIS.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MORE BUILDINGS LIKE ISRAEL.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MORE BUILDINGS LIKE THE RETAIL CORNER.
BUT THE MARKET DIDN'T SUPPORT THAT.
SO I WAS TASKED WITH COME UP WITH A PLAN TO FINISH ENTRADA.
KEEP THE QUALITY STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE, OR RAISE THEM AND CREATE A COMMUNITY THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE TOWN, AND STILL HAS ENOUGH OF A COMMERCIAL BASE TO ATTRACT OUTSIDE PEOPLE HERE, SO THAT IN 4 OR 5 YEARS, WHEN THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION FEES ANYMORE TO SURVIVE OFF OF, YOU HAVE A SALES TAX BASE IN PLACE. YOU KNOW.
I CAN'T HELP IT THAT THE MARKET DIDN'T BITE ON WHAT WAS PUT TOGETHER TEN YEARS AGO.
WE CONTINUE TO MARKET THE SITE ACTIVELY.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME TODAY AND BUILD 100,000FT² OF OFFICE ON THAT SITE, AND MR. MICKENS DOESN'T CLOSE BASED ON TONIGHT'S MEETING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE 100,000FT².
BUT THAT'S BEEN AVAILABLE FOR DECADES AND NO ONE HAS COME.
THE CURRENT VACANCY RATE IN THIS EXISTING BUILDING, I THINK IS STILL 40 TO 45%.
THAT'S THE ENTRANCE TO STARBUCKS AND PROXIMITY TO THE PARKING GARAGE, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH MR. MICKENS NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO COUNT IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE OFFICE USE.
IF HE CAN'T ACCESS THE GARAGE OR IF THE WALK IS TOO FAR, THEN YOU'LL HAVE DOUBLE THE SURFACE PARKING THAT YOU SEE, AND THAT GETS FARTHER AND FARTHER AWAY FROM THE INTENDED ZONING AND FINAL BUILD OUT LOOK OF A EUROPEAN VILLAGE AT ENTRADA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS THERE A COMPROMISE WHEREBY THIS.
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HAS TO BE PRESENTED IN.HE COULDN'T JUST COME WITH THE SITE PLAN FOR.
[INAUDIBLE] THE PROBLEM WITH THE LAND CLOSEST TO THE HIGHWAY IS THAT YOU'RE TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE PARKING GARAGE FOR THAT TO BE A LOCK FOR.
AND I'LL SUGGEST THAT THOSE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE CLOSEST TO ANDORRA, THERE'S 150 FOOT OF LANDSCAPE EASEMENT BUFFERS BEFORE THE HIGHWAY.
THEY'RE FARTHER AWAY THAN THE PREVIOUS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROTECTED IN A BIT OF A HOLE.
YEAH, AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE LOVED THE INITIAL PLAN TO WORK.
BUT TO DATE THAT HAS NOT BEEN REALITY.
I'M SORRY. TO DATE, THAT IS UNFORTUNATELY NOT BEEN THE REALITY OF THE PROJECT AND THEN FINALLY FOR THE PIN ON THIS PIECE OF LAND I SUBMITTED LAST SUMMER TO TOWN AND MARY, ADMINISTRATOR WHAT THIS WOULD BE BUILT OUT VERSUS WHAT THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT IS FOR THE 100,000FT² OF USE AND IT'S ABOUT A $40,000 SPREAD, WHICH I WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO PAY FOR.
IT'S AN EXPENSE. IN SOME CASES WE ACTUALLY GENERATE AN EXCESS CREDIT.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE FINAL BUILD OUT'S GOING TO BE.
BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S HANGING OVER OUR HEADS.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO ADJUST WITH EACH SITE PLAN.
ASSUMING WE VOTE IT DOWN, YOU'D STILL BE ABLE TO PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL.
WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH FOR YEARS ON DIFFERENT SUBMITTALS.
I WOULD JUST PREFER TO GO TO COUNCIL AT THIS POINT.
I THINK IT WILL JUST SAVE TIME AND HOPEFULLY GET US TO THAT JOINT WORK SESSION WHERE ALL OF THIS STUFF CAN BE PUT OUT ON THE TABLE AT ONCE, AND WE MAKE A FINAL DECISION SO THAT THE NEXT TIME A MR. MICKENS OR ANOTHER QUALIFIED, TRULY THIRD PARTY PERSON SHOWS UP AND WANTS TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, HE CAN HAVE AN IMMEDIATE ANSWER AND KNOW WHEN HE CAN GO DIRECTLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.
THAT'S BEEN THE REAL STRUGGLE.
YEAH. SO YOU CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD AND APPROVE IT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS OR CONDITIONS TO THE COUNCIL.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE OFFICE BUILDING COMPONENT.
WELL, SO IT IS COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT OF THE.
BUT IN THE PAST, THE PID HASN'T ALWAYS KEPT UP WITH THE CHANGES IN ZONING.
BUT IT NEEDS TO I MEAN, THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH ENTRADA.
IS THAT THE RIGHT THAT WE'RE NOT MARRIED? IT'S NOT MARRYING TO THE PID ALLOCATIONS ARE NOT SHIFTING TO THE AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MARY WAS THAT BEFORE WE APPROVED ANYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE EVALUATED. IS YES AND NO.
RIGHT? SO IN ORDER TO SYNC UP THE PID WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT DOES NEED TO BE DONE.
RIGHT. BUT WHAT THE DEVELOPER HAS SAID IS THAT IF THEY PREPAY, IF BASICALLY THERE'S AN ALLOTMENT FOR THAT SPOT, RIGHT, IF THEY PAY THE ALLOTMENT IN FULL, THAT'S PREPAYING THAT DIFFERENCE AS THE DEVELOPER SPOKE ABOUT, THEN IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THE SAP WHATSOEVER BECAUSE THE SAP IS JUST GIVING US A VALUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ASSESSED.
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IF THEY DECIDE, WELL, WE WOULD RATHER DO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO PAY THE PIT OFF AND THAT'S AN OPTION FOR THEM.HAS THERE BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE ON THIS PROPERTY? IT HASN'T BEEN RECENTLY.
THERE'S I THINK WE'RE UP TO TRAFFIC STUDY NUMBER FIVE.
WITH EACH MAJOR SUBMITTAL, WE'RE REQUIRED TO UPDATE IT.
IN LIGHT OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
SO DOES ANY OF THIS CONVERSATION CHANGING? ANY OPINIONS? YEAH.
SO I'M TRYING TO GET YOU A BANK AND AN OFFICE BUILDING.
I'M NOT FINDING THE VOTES UP HERE.
I SAID IF WE COULD JUST APPROVE THAT, IT WOULD BE FINE.
BUT HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? IT ALSO THIS MR. MICKENS, YOU KNOW, WAS WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM YOU KNOW, ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND WITH PARTICULAR FOCUS ON THE, THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THE BANK.
SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO, TO MOVE THAT FORWARD, THAT COUNCIL KIND OF TAKE THE FINAL ACTION ON IT, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, SAY, WHATEVER THAT CONDITION MAY BE, WE'LL TAKE THAT TO COUNCIL AND LET COUNCIL KIND OF TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND SEE WHAT THEY DO.
BECAUSE I GUESS THE THING THAT'S BLOCKING US HERE IS THE FACT THAT THIS WHOLE BLOCK HE HAS TO HAVE A PLAN FOR THE WHOLE BLOCK, NOT JUST THIS PIECE OF IT.
SO WE CAN'T DIVIDE THIS UP AND SEND A PIECE FORWARD, BECAUSE THAT WAS AN AGREEMENT AS PART OF THE INITIAL, AS PART OF OUR THE RULES OF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING ENTRADA, I GUESS, PIECE OF IT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHAT WE SAID TO MOVE AHEAD ON ENTRADA THAT THEY THESE ALL HAVE TO BE APPROVED AT THIS WHOLE BLOCK LEVEL, A BLOCK LEVEL IN THERE.
SO CAN WE REQUEST THAT BE WAVERED AND ALLOW FOR THIS BANK TO EITHER BE APPROVED THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A WAIVER TO THAT PARTICULAR RULE AND THEN HOLD OFF ON IF WE, YOU KNOW, WE RECOMMEND NOT INTRODUCING ADDITIONAL HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA AT THIS TIME.
I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY THAT BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY COME BACK WITH A.
YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO PROTECT THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF ENTRADA FROM HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR A LOT OF PIECEMEAL REORGANIZATION OF ALL THE DIFFERENT BLOCKS WITHOUT A GOOD PLAN KIND OF IN PLACE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE REST OF THE STUFF.
EXACTLY. YOU YOU SEE THE PLAN DOWN HERE THAT THE DEVELOPERS SHOWED KIND OF A LARGER PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE GOT A COPY OF THAT LAST YEAR AND SO IT WAS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD LATER IN THE YEAR.
BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THEY WANT TO DO.
THAT KIND OF PLAYS INTO THE ENTIRE KIND OF A HOLISTIC CHANGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND ALSO, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S HELPFUL TO YOU FOR US TO SIMPLY APPROVE THE BANK, YOU KNOW, DO YOU REQUIRE THIS ENTIRE BLOCK APPROVED OR THIS IS NOT A PROJECT YOU'RE GOING TO PURSUE? YEAH. IF IT'S IF I THINK YOU'VE GOT FULL SUPPORT, UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FOR THE BANK IN THE OFFICE BUILDING, THE ISSUE SEEMS TO BE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
YEAH. I THINK AS FAR AS MY INVESTMENT INTO THE LAND IN ENTRADA IT'S PRETTY HARD TO
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TO SEPARATE THE TWO PROJECTS.YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO TALK TO THE DEVELOPER ABOUT THAT AND SEE I KNOW I CAN'T GET MY MONEY BACK, BUT I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO.
RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE BECAUSE YEAH.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE TO SPEAK WITH THE DEVELOPER.
OKAY, SO RON, I'M TRYING TO FIND A COMPROMISE TO LANGUAGE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT FIXES HIS ISSUE.
IT'S MY POINT. AND SO IF THIS IS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SUPER SPECIFIC, YOU COULD JUST SAY WE'RE OKAY.
RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BANK.
PARCEL IS SHOWN OR WHATEVER PARCEL IT COULD BE MORE THAN THAT.
COUNCIL, NO MATTER WHAT, CAN THEY DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH IT? OR YOU COULD JUST I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
SO THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IF THIS IS A SITE PLAN I'D SAY YES OR NO.
OKAY. SO KIND OF BE CREATIVE WITH YOUR CONDITION.
YEAH AND JUST TO GO BACK TO WHAT MR. MICKENS SAID, YEAH, HE DOES OWN THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, HE BOUGHT IT A YEAR OR TWO AGO.
I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN.
SO YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE HIS INVESTMENT INTO THE BLOCK WHILE ADDRESSING THE LARGER ISSUE OF HOW THIS BLOCK IS GOING TO LOOK AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO BEST FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO.
YEAH AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE COULD MAKE A MOTION AND A VOTE AND APPROVE THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THIS. NOT APPROVE THE RESIDENTIAL.
TO SAY APPROVAL OF THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT, LIKE YOU JUST SAID, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL TO BE BUT BASICALLY JUST TO BE ADDRESSED AT A LATER DATE.
THAT'S FINE. I KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
THE BANK BUILDING AND THE PARKING ZONE ONLY 12.
IS IT PLANNED THAT OTHER PARKING WILL BE.
PARKING GARAGE? PARKING GARAGE? YES, SIR.
IS THAT THE SAME FOR THE OTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDING? OTHER PROPERTY.
IT ONLY HAS TWO HANDICAP AND YEAH, REGULAR.
I KNOW THE I THINK THE OTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDING IS TO BE DETERMINED, AS FAR AS I DON'T KNOW ANY DETAILS ABOUT THAT ONE AS MUCH AS I KNOW ABOUT THE BANK BUT WHEN A SITE PLAN COMES IN, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT IN MORE DETAIL.
I SEE THE EXTRA PARKING ALONG THAT WE HAVE.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT.
PROBABLY. NOT GOING TO BE REAL USABLE FOR MOST OF THE PROPERTIES.
THE BUILDING AT THE CORNER OF ROSAS AND GERONA BENEFITS FROM.
THERE'S A PARKING AND ACCESS EASEMENT.
ALONG ROSAS, THERE'S PARKING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED BY EASEMENT ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO AND IT'S AN ALSO OVERFLOWS INTO THE GARAGE, THE LOWER LEVEL OF THE RETAIL CORNER BUILDING THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE FOR THE PARKING FOR THAT BUILDING ISN'T JUST ON SITE, IT'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE EXISTING PARKING ACROSS THE STREET. BY DESIGN, IT GOES BACK TO OUR TRAFFIC AND SHARED PARKING STUDIES WHICH ARE REQUIRED WITH THE PD.
HEIGHT. ELEVATION? THAT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING.
LOWER LEVELS. ACCESSED OFF OF GERONA.
UPPER LEVELS ACCESSED OFF OF ROSAS.
THE GREAT CHANGE IS MADE UP THERE.
BUT IS THERE ANY KIND OF SIDEWALK? I MEAN, LIKE, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO BE WALKING IN THE STREET FROM THAT.
GERONA HAS THE 12 FOOT WALKWAY ALL THE WAY ACROSS, AND THEN ON THE HIGH SIDE, THE ROSES.
YOU'RE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE ENTRANCE TO THE GARAGE, WHICH ALSO HAS A SIDEWALK AROUND IT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE ENTRANCE TO THAT GARAGE IS FARTHER TOWARDS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES.
ONE IS AT THE NORTH END, ONE'S AT THE SOUTH.
IT DUMPS OUT DIRECTLY ONTO ROSES
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AND I GUESS I WOULD APPRECIATE THIS CLARITY FROM THE LEGAL SIDE.THE MOTION BEFORE COUNCIL IS THAT A COMPLETE UPDATE TO REPLACE ORDINANCE 934, THE LAST TIME THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED? OR IS THIS JUST TRYING TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ONLY FOR BLOCK P? BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THE AGENDA WAS WRITTEN, IT WASN'T VERY CLEAR.
RETELL. CORRECT? RIGHT NOW IT BLOCK P.
LOTS ONE AND TWO ARE THE UNDERGROUND GUN RANGE.
BUT CURRENTLY THE ORDINANCE THAT STANDS.
IS THAT IT'S COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL RETAIL, CORRECT.
THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I GET CONFUSED OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN ITS CURRENT APPROVED CONFIGURATION SHOWS THE RETAIL, COMMERCIAL UNDERGROUND GUN RANGE THAT HE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER.
SO THE WAY THAT WORKED WAS ALL THE SUB GRADE STUFF WAS THE THE GUN RANGE LANES AND THEN.
AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND HIGHER WAS THE RETAIL.
WELL, I JUST THINK. SO LET ME JUST ASK IF THIS WAS HALF.
IF IT WAS HALF, THE DENSITY WOULD.
MIKE, IF YOU COULD COME BACK ON THE MIC JUST FOR THE RECORD, ON THE MEETING.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IS FROM THIS GROUP.
IS THERE AT ANY DENSITY? IS THERE SUPPORT FOR THIS IN A RESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE ME THE PATH TO SAY, TO APPROVE THE COMMERCIAL AND TO ADDRESS AT A FUTURE TIME THE POSITIONING AND THE DENSITY.
PERSONALLY, MY ISSUE IS I DON'T MIND SOME RESIDENTIAL ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T THINK I DON'T LIKE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL ON THAT ANDORRA, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING ORIGINALLY WAS THE GRAY.
IF THE GRAY WAS ALL COMMERCIAL AND THE GREEN WAS RESIDENTIAL, WOULD THAT GARNER SUPPORT FROM A BROADER GROUP? WHICH AGAIN GOES BACK TO THE DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL.
I DON'T THINK. THAT MUCH PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A DEPARTURE FROM OLD COUNCIL.
SO I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, SITTING UP HERE AND THE DENSITY HAS ONLY GONE DOWN FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
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LESS TO CREATE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.SO DENSITY AND WHOEVER'S INFINITE WISDOM, THAT DENSITY WAS A WHOLE LOT BIGGER TEN YEARS AGO WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY KIND OF KIND OF PUT TOGETHER. SO WE'VE MOVED IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF DENSITY.
WELL, THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S APPROVED RIGHT NOW STILL SHOWS A LAYOUT OF RESIDENTIAL THAT ASSUMES THERE'S GOING TO BE OVER 100 CONDOMINIUM UNITS BUILT IN THE PLAZA AREA.
YEAH, WHICH TAKES UP A THIRD OF THE TOTAL RESIDENTIAL ENTITLED IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF YOU CHANGE THAT TO SINGLE FAMILY, YOU'VE GOT A LARGER SPREAD OF RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE, BASED ON THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE DOWN THERE, WHICH HASN'T GONE TO P&Z YET, ACROSS THE LARGER DEVELOPMENT, YOU SEE MORE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS PART OF A PROPOSAL THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD LATER.
NOW, IS THAT A, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A CHANGE IN NET DENSITY IN CERTAIN BLOCKS? YES. IT'S A BIG CHANGE IN THE PIT.
SO THIS IS A SMALL 2.3 ACRE PORTION OF A MUCH LARGER DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT YOU COULD DO AGAIN, TO YOU'VE GOT A BUSINESS OWNER WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND BUILD A WESTLAKE RESIDENT AND MOVE, GET THIS THING MOVED FORWARD FOR A COMMERCIAL USE.
AGAIN, YOU COULD CIRCLE BACK ON THE RESIDENTIAL AND IT COULD JUST BE AS SIMPLE AS WELL.
I THINK HE WANTS TO TRY TO GET IT BACK AS SOON AS JUNE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE AS A CONSIDERATION ITEM, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, IT COULD BE A WORKSHOP TO REALLY DISCUSS HOW THIS PLAYS INTO THOSE MUCH LARGER CHANGES AND AS A PLANNER, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RATHER SEE ANYWAY.
IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION'S IF THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE AIMING AT AS WELL, BUT THEN JUST MOVE THE MOVE THIS FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COMMERCIAL PIECE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THAT TO GO FORWARD, THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
YOU CAN GO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN A MOTION MAKE THE MOTION.
BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, WE NEED TO OPEN AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO.
SO I THINK WE CAN GET SOMETHING HERE.
OKAY. ALRIGHT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO COMMENT? OKAY, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN, BUT WITH NO COMMENTS.
SO I THINK WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AS SHOWN WITH THE RESIDENTIAL TO BE ADDRESSED, THE DENSITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL TO BE ADDRESSED AT A FUTURE DATE.
PRESIDENT. THE POSITIONING AND THE DENSITY AT A FUTURE POINT THAT WOULD MOVE YOU ON TO COUNCIL.
I THINK THAT'LL WORK. I MEAN GOT TO FIGURE OUT.
IT DOES NOT. IT DOESN'T RIGHT NOW, THOUGH.
WHAT ONE IS THAT, BUT IN CURRENT STATE, IT'S NOT RIGHT.
RIGHT? SO IN CURRENT STATE IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR IT.
ALRIGHT. SO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, NOT THE ZONING, THE DEVELOPMENT AND SO AGAIN, I THINK WHERE WE HAVE CONSENSUS IS TO APPROVE THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS SHOWN AND TO ADDRESS AT A FUTURE DATE, DENSITY AND LOCATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
BUT I UNDERSTAND TO YOUR POINT.
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I'M WE ARE SAYING SAYING WE'RE APPROVING IT.LARGER IF THE DEVELOPMENT LEVEL.
BECAUSE IT'S A FLOW BECAUSE THAT'S NOT NO FLOWS WITH THE REST OF IT IN THERE.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO KIND OF PIECEMEAL CHANGE AND TO BE FAIR, THAT IS PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE BEEN FACING IS THAT THIS STUFF COMES TO US BLOCK AT A TIME AND EVERYTHING'S IN A VACUUM.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF US GOING BACK THROUGH.
SO I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH WHO I HAVE UP HERE AND WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS OF THESE MEMBERS ARE.
LET'S SAY FOR MR. MCKENZIE, IF WE GO FORWARD AND THE COUNCIL APPROVES THIS PIECE OF IT, WILL THAT HELP YOU? WE WANT TO HELP YOU. WE WANT TO KEEP YOU AND SO THIS YOU KNOW, GIVE HELP GET YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT? WE CAN EAT IN THERE? I LIKE THAT ONE. OKAY.
WE'LL TRY TO GET SOMETHING THAT'LL HELP YOU OUT HERE.
THE INSTEAD OF SAYING RESIDENTIAL, SAY THE YEAH, THE REVIEW OF THE MIXED USE NOT INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF REVIEW OF RESIDENTIAL REVIEW OF THE REMAINDER MIXED USE.
TRY ALRIGHT AND I ASKED FOR A MOTION.
ALRIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO DEFINE THE MOTION.
I'M GOING TO GIVE IT MY BEST RUN.
OKAY, SO I MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS OF THE PLAN, AS SHOWN WITH REVIEW OF THE MIXED USE, IF ANY, AND POSITION TO BE REVIEWED AS PART OF THE LARGER PROPOSAL PROJECTED FOR IN JUNE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL.
I'M SORRY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL.
WHEN YOU SAY MIXED USE, THEY TOLD ME THE SAME MIXED USE.
OKAY. BUT YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, IT'S CLEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO THE RESIDENTIAL IS PART OF THE REMAINDER.
THAT'S A DOUBLE. THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
I'M DONE AND I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MIXED TO THAT MOTION.
ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NONE OPPOSED, MOTION CARRIES.
I THINK THE BIGGER REVIEW, YOU KNOW, IS I'D LIKE TO RESOLVE THIS ALL.
[G.1. 24-118 Consider approving minutes from the March 5, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting and April 1, 2024 Joint Town Council Planning and Zoning Commission meeting; and take appropriate action]
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.DID ANYBODY GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? THE LAST MEETING OF THE FIRST? WELL, THE FROM THE MARCH 5TH AND APRIL 1ST JOINT, SO WE HAD TWO.
OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES BEFORE YOU DO THAT? OH, SORRY. I DON'T KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS, BUT I THINK MR. BONILLA'S NAME IS INCORRECTLY SPELLED.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A COMMENT.
GO AHEAD. IN THE LAST MEETING WHERE IT WAS A JOINT SESSION, I THINK THAT THERE WERE WAS WITHIN THE JOINT SESSION. SOME UNDUE PRESSURES AND UNNECESSARY PRESSURES BY COUNCIL.
I WAS A LITTLE BIT TAKEN ABACK THAT WITH THE COUNCIL HAD ASSETS OF DATA THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IN OUR PACKAGE AND I FELT THAT WHEN THE VOTE CAME UP.
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WHEN THEY BELIEVED IT DIDN'T PASS AND I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I HAVE, IS IF WE'RE USING ROBERT'S RULES AND WE HAD A QUORUM AND WE HAD A21 VOTE WITH AN ABSTAIN, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN A POSITIVE VOTE AND IF THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVED IT WAS NEGATIVE, IF WE USE ROBERT'S RULES, THEN THE ONLY PERSON THAT COULD HAVE REACTIVATED THAT APPLICATION AT THAT MOMENT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE MAYOR.IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PERSON THAT VOTED IN A NEGATIVE.
SO I THINK WHAT I'M ASKING IS GOING FORWARD THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT RULES WERE WE'RE WORKING WITH, BECAUSE I THINK ANYBODY CAN GO AND LOOK AT THAT VIDEO AND THEY CAN LOOK AT THE STARE DOWNS THAT WERE DONE UP HERE AND I, FOR ONE, WAS OFFENDED.
YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST JOB TO SUPPORT THE TOWN AND HELP THE COUNCIL MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.
WE SHOULD NEVER FEEL LIKE WE ARE BEING PUT IN A POSITION THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE IN A CERTAIN WAY AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE FELLOW PARTICIPANTS HERE FELT THAT.
BUT APPARENTLY OTHERS DID NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED.
SO I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD THAT I DON'T BELIEVE JOINT SESSIONS ARE MAYBE THE BEST WAY TO TAKE A VOTE THAT ISN'T GOING EXACTLY THE WAY THEY WANT AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS AS PLANNING AND ZONING TO DO OUR JOB EFFECTIVELY AND NOT HAVE UNDUE INFLUENCE PLACED UPON US. YOU'RE WELCOME.
SO AND I'LL JUST SAY IF I GO BACK TO THAT PARTICULAR VOTE, HAD WE EVEN HAD WE VOTED AND VOTED IN THE NEGATIVE OR NOT PASSED, I THINK THE COUNCIL APPROVED IT UNANIMOUSLY AFTER SO AGREED PROCEDURALLY, IT WAS FINE.
ALL RIGHT, SO I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST TWO MEETINGS.
MOTION. CAN I HAVE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY.
OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO OFFICIALLY GAVEL THIS MEETING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO EVERYBODY FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION.
TAMMY, WE'LL SEE YOU AT THE NEXT JOINT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.